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To think this couple's attitude has no place in modern society?

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Georama · 20/01/2022 18:35

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10419543/Christian-couple-ban-gay-man-partner-buying-dream-650-000-sexuality.html

A church-going wife who banned a gay man and his ITV producer partner from buying her £650,000 Surrey home has hit back in the row and insisted they are just sticking to their beliefs.

Luke Whitehouse and Lachlan Mantell were stunned when they were told that they could not buy the three-bedroom home because the Christian owners didn't want to sell to 'two men in a partnership.'

Honestly, they should be ashamed of that text. I hope no estate agent will work with them ever again.

OP posts:
Innocenta · 20/01/2022 21:49

@Cultish are you seriously trying to defend intentional discrimination against gay people? You think that's okay? Shock

CorneliusVetch · 20/01/2022 21:49

Don’t worry, easily done Smile

OneTC · 20/01/2022 21:49

Show me where anyone has invited violence against them.

I want quotes or links. Specific examples. Show me where.

They said possibly. As in being highlighted and identified in a national newspaper might open them up to attack. Which is clearly true

thedancingbear · 20/01/2022 21:49

@Cultish

And we’re allowed to call them bigoted cunts.

Go for it. I guess on that principle other people are allowed to call you a thick cunt.

Or don't you like that...

Not bothered really. I’ve had to put up with abuse from homophobes all my life. In school, in work, in my family, everywhere.

One more anonymous poster on MN doesn’t really register tbh

Innocenta · 20/01/2022 21:49

@RampantIvy

They may just believe in protected beliefs

I’m pretty sure that being homophobic is not a protected belief

Absolutely this. No one has a protected right to act in a discriminatory way.
Innocenta · 20/01/2022 21:51

@OneTC

Show me where anyone has invited violence against them.

I want quotes or links. Specific examples. Show me where.

They said possibly. As in being highlighted and identified in a national newspaper might open them up to attack. Which is clearly true

Yes, because there are so many recorded attacks on homophobes for being homophobic... eyeroll

If you knew anything about this at all, you'd be aware of the many, well documented, vicious attacks on gay men and lesbians.

Bitofachinwag · 20/01/2022 21:51

@Cultish

It’s not like the Ashers Bakery case at all. In that case, they weren’t refusing to make a cake for Mr Lee because he was gay

No they were refusing for political reasons, because they didn't believe in gay marriage.

Pretty similar really.

They say they would have refused to write that slogan even if the customer had been heterosexual.

And wasn't gay marriage illegal in Ireland at the time?

Would you go into a vegan bakery and ask them to bake a cake with the slogan "eat more meat"?

YoBeaches · 20/01/2022 21:51

@Lockheart is spot on. And legally they can make a claim in the Civil courts.

The couples actions were wrong, morally and legally.

thedancingbear · 20/01/2022 21:52

@OneTC

Show me where anyone has invited violence against them.

I want quotes or links. Specific examples. Show me where.

They said possibly. As in being highlighted and identified in a national newspaper might open them up to attack. Which is clearly true

And gay people regularly get beaten up because of attitudes reinforced by this pair of arseholes (and you, and @cultish, and @omicrone and your mates.). No ‘possibly’ about it.

But you don’t care about that. I wonder why?

Keep posting, please. It’s easier when you are out in the open

timshortfforthalia · 20/01/2022 21:53

@FitAt50

Shocked that 21% of mumsnetter's agree with the homophobic couple.
Grin Are you new here?
BoredZelda · 20/01/2022 21:53

What you can't do is treat people differently because of it.

Wrong. You can do that as a private individual. As you should be able to. You can’t do that as a business and as an individual if you physically harm them in any way which is already illegal it will have an additional “hate crime” element on the charge.

But you can, if you like, say I don’t want gay people in my home. Or I don’t want to sell them my home. There is nothing wrong in law with doing that and neither should there be.

And yes, to whomever it was who asked I’d defend that action of the same was said about a different race or if it were disabled people or whomever. Because when the law decides who I should allow in my home, that’s not a situation I would be comfortable with. What if in 20 years time the law decides that you have to allow, say, convicted criminals who have done their time in to your home? People who think this should be illegal should be careful what they wish for.

Elsiebear90 · 20/01/2022 21:54

Interesting that some posters are so keen to defend homophobes and are only concerned and upset about the potential backlash they might face, rather than the couple who were discriminated against solely for being gay. Which btw has no religious justification anyway because there is nothing in the bible that says you can’t sell your property to gay people.

Tell me you’re a homophobe without saying you’re a homophobe springs to mind….

BoredZelda · 20/01/2022 21:55

Keep posting, please. It’s easier when you are out in the open

I know you think this makes you sound clever, but you seem to be obtusely failing to see the actual points being made.

Cultish · 20/01/2022 21:55

[quote Innocenta]@Cultish are you seriously trying to defend intentional discrimination against gay people? You think that's okay? Shock[/quote]
I don't think discrimination is ok against anyone with a protected characteristic no. But it's not the point is it. I think this hideous pile on is not ok either. Yeah it's not pleasant that the couple took this decision. I also think that the gay couple taking this to the papers, there address out their in the public eye, the potential risk now of violence towards the couple is not ok.

It is possible to step back and see both sides you know...

Cultish · 20/01/2022 21:55

*their

BoredZelda · 20/01/2022 21:56

Interesting that some posters are so keen to defend homophobes and are only concerned and upset about the potential backlash they might face, rather than the couple who were discriminated against solely for being gay.

Or, people are actually defending a freedom that actually people should be concerned about losing.

Innocenta · 20/01/2022 21:56

@BoredZelda no, you are justifying homophobia. Please admit it at least to yourself.

etaussi · 20/01/2022 21:57

I don't agree with these people. Clearly stupid. Money is money.

However they believe what they believe in terms of religion, and what they believe isn't down with homosexuality. Again they sound pretty stupid to me but it's what they believe.

I don't really feel comfortable saying that people of faith (and let's face it it's lots of faiths and lots and lots of people) don't have a place in the world

Innocenta · 20/01/2022 21:57

I don't think discrimination is ok against anyone with a protected characteristic no. But it's not the point is it.

@Cultish Yes, it very much is the point.

Cultish · 20/01/2022 21:58

Tell me you’re a homophobe without saying you’re a homophobe springs to mind

You don't know anything about me or my relationships for fucks sake. And I don't need to put my protected characteristic out there in order to be allowed to give an opinion.

Elsiebear90 · 20/01/2022 21:58

“Or, people are actually defending a freedom that actually people should be concerned about losing”

The freedom to be a homophobic judgemental bigot and not be called out on it?

No one is suggesting they should go to prison, they are saying their behaviour while not being illegal is immoral and they deserve to be criticised for it.

thedancingbear · 20/01/2022 22:00

@BoredZelda

Keep posting, please. It’s easier when you are out in the open

I know you think this makes you sound clever, but you seem to be obtusely failing to see the actual points being made.

No, if you read my posts I’ve consistently said that what the couple did was legal. I agree that that should remain the case.

But I also think their behaviour is bigoted and repellent, and that we should be allowed to talk about that. Being Christian doesn’t, morally speaking, give you a free pass to being an arsehole.

And I’m not questioning the motivation of you and your pals, because I know exactly what you are. You won’t get away with dealing in open abuse nowadays, so this is how you go about it. Entirely standard nowadays.

Cultish · 20/01/2022 22:00

Yes, it very much is the point

Is that as far as you got. 🙄 I feel I need to go and wash my hands after posting here. The inability of some to see the bigger picture is quite an eye opener.

Innocenta · 20/01/2022 22:00

Thanks to everyone standing up for lesbian and gay couples in this thread. It's a tough read for me to see so much unashamed bigotry, and I'm sure it must be for other lesbian or bisexual women reading here too. Just want to say thanks to you all, and allies too of course. Wine

thedancingbear · 20/01/2022 22:01

@Cultish

Tell me you’re a homophobe without saying you’re a homophobe springs to mind

You don't know anything about me or my relationships for fucks sake. And I don't need to put my protected characteristic out there in order to be allowed to give an opinion.

I can tell fucking loads about you from what you’ve posted. I’ve encountered people like you all my life