To think this couple's attitude has no place in modern society?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10419543/Christian-couple-ban-gay-man-partner-buying-dream-650-000-sexuality.html

A church-going wife who banned a gay man and his ITV producer partner from buying her £650,000 Surrey home has hit back in the row and insisted they are just sticking to their beliefs.

Luke Whitehouse and Lachlan Mantell were stunned when they were told that they could not buy the three-bedroom home because the Christian owners didn't want to sell to 'two men in a partnership.'

Honestly, they should be ashamed of that text. I hope no estate agent will work with them ever again.

@Artichokeleaves

Well obviously they do have a place in modern society, they're living in it and it's ridiculous to pretend that society doesn't include people with these beliefs. It does. Those beliefs don't get changed by tutting and reporting to the police for wrong think, that just makes the divide of belief harder and them angrier. Having beliefs you may not agree with is not a crime.

If you discover that your seller is prejudiced and has incompatible views and doesn't want to sell to you - you shrug and go buy from someone else, because life is too short. You might think your seller is an unpleasant twit: that's not against the law. This whole punish and silence the wrongthinkers and be prejudiced against them really doesn't help anyone or solve anything. It's just prejudice in a different form.

I'm LGBT btw.

That's a really wise post. Thank you for that. I'm a born again Christian and am horrified at the attitude of the house sellers. In our church any gay people would be given the same welcome as straight people.

@BIWI

... that was to *@woodhill*

You don't say, please stop

They may just believe in protected beliefs

I’m pretty sure that being homophobic is not a protected belief

Why? I'd like you to give me the reason why you posted as such.

Why won't you defend what you said?

Their house - they can sell (or not) to whom they like. For whatever batshit reason they choose.

It's not the 'belief', it's the discriminatory behaviour. Really shocking that so many are okay with active, hateful homophobic behaviour... @BoredZelda* @Unsure33 @Cultish @Bluebluemoon39*

I am not "ok with it" *innocents' so please don't twist my words - it's very lazy.

I think they are wrong. But they think they are right and as I said, I don't believe they've broken any law but have stated that their beliefs (in their mind) make them uncomfortable with selling to a gay couple.

I am not comfortable with seeing some Muslim women wearing hijabs - I think it's oppressive - but I wouldn't dare challenge them on it as it is their belief and they have taken this direction from the Qur'an.

Why is it ok to tell this Christian couple that their beliefs are wrong and they should be thrown in jail or whatever punishment people want them to have? I disagree with them, but I also think they should withhold the right to sell their home to whoever they wish.

Do you understand?

And we’re allowed to call them bigoted cunts.

Knock yourself out.

It still doesn't make what they did objectively 'wrong' (although think they are very wrong) nor does it justify identifying them in a national newspaper and inciting abuse and possibly even violence against them.

[quote AgathaMystery]@5128gap whose rights are paramount though?

I don’t agree with the couple at all. I think they’re mental.

But. We did decided not to sell our last house to a person we didn’t like. It was our choice. It was our home, we decide who comes inside it, who views it & who buys it. No one else.[/quote]
The right not to be discriminated against always trumps the right to discriminate. If a gay couple were discriminating against someone on the grounds of their religion they would be equally wrong. You're right though, the law wouldn't apply to a private house sale.

@CoastalWave

Their house - they can sell (or not) to whom they like. For whatever batshit reason they choose.

I don’t think anyone is really disputing this.

Just because it’s legal to do something, doesn’t make it morally or socially acceptable. They’re acting within the law, but they are fucking hateful bigots

@Omicrone

And we’re allowed to call them bigoted cunts.

Knock yourself out.

It still doesn't make what they did objectively 'wrong' (although think they are very wrong) nor does it justify identifying them in a national newspaper and inciting abuse and possibly even violence against them.

Show me where anyone has invited violence against them.

I want quotes or links. Specific examples. Show me where.

It’s not like the Ashers Bakery case at all. In that case, they weren’t refusing to make a cake for Mr Lee because he was gay

No they were refusing for political reasons, because they didn't believe in gay marriage.

Pretty similar really.

@Omicrone Actually discrimination is wrong.

Actually I think that if you go down the road of sellers having to explain their reasons for accepting or refusing offers, it would be a bad thing.

There's a lot riding on buyers being reliable and sometimes you want to not accept an offer from someone you think will be awkward, even if they offer the most.

Obviously it's stupid to refuse offers because of sexuality but I don't think the area should be regulated.

Sorry I'm on the wrong thread!! Thought I was on the apprentice thread. Ignore

@Cultish

It’s not like the Ashers Bakery case at all. In that case, they weren’t refusing to make a cake for Mr Lee because he was gay

No they were refusing for political reasons, because they didn't believe in gay marriage.

Pretty similar really.

They weren’t refusing to make him a cake per se. They were refusing to make him - same as they would have done whatever the sexual orientation of the customer making the request - a cake with that message on.

In this case it is the fact of the buyers being gay that meant this couple refused to deal with them at all.

thedancingbear unfortunately “bigoted cunt”, is up there with all other hate speech.
Calling someone a cunt is an act of aggression. That’s what we are trying to remove. Not having different ideas.

@Bluebluemoon39 They're behaving in a discriminatory way based on a protected characteristic. If this happened to me and my wife, I'd absolutely report it as a hate incident. No question.

And that doesn't mean I don't accept people having different beliefs. It's what they do with them, as I said before.

Like it or not, you are justifying bigotry.

@Pebbledashery noooo a spoiler as well! 😂

I do apologise!!