Page 20 | To think this couple's attitude has no place in modern society?

Georama · 2022-01-20T18:35:48+00:00

[[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10419543/Christian-couple-ban-gay-man-partner-buying-dream-650-000-sexuality.html]] ^A church-going wife who banned a gay man and his ITV producer partner from buying her £650,000 Surrey home has hit back in the row and insisted they are just sticking to their beliefs.^ ^Luke Whitehouse and Lachlan Mantell were stunned when they were told that they could not buy the three-bedroom home because the Christian owners didn't want to sell to 'two men in a partnership.' ^ Honestly, they should be ashamed of that text. I hope no estate agent will work with them ever again.

Isaw3ships · 21/01/2022 15:19

‘ think this is important. There is a difference between actively imposing as punishment upon people who have differing beliefs, and morally being able to say, this behaviour, in my opinion is wrong. ’

And their ‘punishment’ is where exactly? Having a paper cover what you said? Being dumped by the estate agent? Being defended by lots of people who believe homophobia is fine if backed by religion?
They’ve not been punished, have they?
So where do you stand on hate crimes, then? Do they fall under ‘differing beliefs’?’free speech’.
If they were to call me, My wife, my kids, homophobic slurs in the street - that’s okay? It’s actually illegal now but hey, it rarely gets dealt with even under the legislation in place etontry to prevent it.

Momicrone · 21/01/2022 15:22

It's not a picknmix

Flutterflybutterby · 21/01/2022 15:23

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Bitofachinwag · 21/01/2022 15:26

I agree Flutterflybutterby

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 21/01/2022 15:27

In terms of the law here, and apologies if this is a thick question, but as they are not say a company or organisation paying a paid for service or a public service provider like for example the council, regardless of how homophobic their voiced opinions and beliefs aware, this couple aren't actually breaking a law are they? As in no action can be taken against them legally?

Does that make sense?

thedancingbear · 21/01/2022 15:27

The Christian couple calmly explain their belief, yet they're pure evil for this belief

Yep, happy with that.

Freedom of speech isn't only for people who say nice things.

Yep, happy with that. They're free to spout their homophobia. And I am equally free to say that I think they are fucking bigoted cunts.

That work for you? If not, then which bit?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 21/01/2022 15:27

[quote YoBeaches]@Lockheart is spot on. And legally they can make a claim in the Civil courts.

The couples actions were wrong, morally and legally.[/quote]
Doh x-post

thedancingbear · 21/01/2022 15:28

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

In terms of the law here, and apologies if this is a thick question, but as they are not say a company or organisation paying a paid for service or a public service provider like for example the council, regardless of how homophobic their voiced opinions and beliefs aware, this couple aren't actually breaking a law are they? As in no action can be taken against them legally?

Does that make sense?

No, they are not.

They are fucking cunts though.

HelloFrostyMorning · 21/01/2022 15:28

YANBU. How stupid and nasty this couple sound.

OneTC · 21/01/2022 15:30

They're free to spout their homophobia. And I am equally free to say that I think they are fucking bigoted cunts.

👍

Innocenta · 21/01/2022 15:31

@Bitofachinwag What exactly in that deeply homophobic post are you agreeing with? It's convenient when someone else says it so you don't have to, I suppose.

@Flutterflybutterby This isn't a free speech issue. I'm not recording what they say to each other in their own home, or even banning them from Twitter. What you don't seem to understand is that they engaged in hate.

So it doesn't go both ways, no, not when one side is just trying to live a normal life and the other side is engaging in hate.

Innocenta · 21/01/2022 15:35

But that's attaching very emotive and inaccurate language to what happened, in order to prove your point. There is no evidence of any type of hatred. Yes, we can see that the couple felt that selling to a gay couple would be compromising their religious morals.

@Flutterflybutterby No, it isn't. It's simply refusing to conform to the evasive, mealy-mouthed language that you'd prefer we all used because it allows you to post homophobic replies and stay within TGs.

Flutterflybutterby · 21/01/2022 15:40

[quote Innocenta]@Bitofachinwag What exactly in that deeply homophobic post are you agreeing with? It's convenient when someone else says it so you don't have to, I suppose.

@Flutterflybutterby This isn't a free speech issue. I'm not recording what they say to each other in their own home, or even banning them from Twitter. What you don't seem to understand is that they engaged in hate.

So it doesn't go both ways, no, not when one side is just trying to live a normal life and the other side is engaging in hate. [/quote]
Why is it only "engaging in hate" to say things that you disagree with? Everyone is slating this couple for their religious beliefs, but that's not 'engaging in hate' because you agree, right? And why are you using powerful, emotive and inaccurate words to prove all of your points? I'm now 'homophobic' too, because I disagree with your belief that everyone with a different belief to you should be silenced? And you can say whatever you want, namecall as much as you want, and make false accusations as much as you want and that's all fine and above board, but anyone who doesn't agree with you about anything is full of 'hatred', regardless of their behavior or actions, and based on nothing more than the fact that they disagree with you about something?

Flutterflybutterby · 21/01/2022 15:42

@thedancingbear

The Christian couple calmly explain their belief, yet they're pure evil for this belief

Yep, happy with that.

Freedom of speech isn't only for people who say nice things.

Yep, happy with that. They're free to spout their homophobia. And I am equally free to say that I think they are fucking bigoted cunts.

That work for you? If not, then which bit?

That's fine by me. That's called freedom of speech, and is very important, in my opinion.

NightmareSlashDelightful · 21/01/2022 15:45

It seems that to disagree with certain lifestyles is acceptable these days

@Flutterflybutterby Being gay isn't a lifestyle. It's a fundamental and entirely natural part of who some people are. Being gay is something you are, not something you choose.

You can't 'disagree' with homosexuality. It's like trying to disagree with eyeballs.

Innocenta · 21/01/2022 15:46

No, @Flutterflybutterby. ...people say things all the time that I disagree with, lol. If I accused people of hate or homophobia every time I disagree, I wouldn't have time to eat my lunch.

I'm saying you're homophobic because you're posting glaringly obviously homophobic things. In public. On an Internet forum. If you do that, then, yes, lesbians will see it and identify you as an obvious homophobe!

I don't have any problem with people disagreeing with me. I'm a vegan, I hate the Beatles and Game of Thrones, I'm not a big fan of dogs. I'm a Remainer. I'm strongly pro vaccines. You think I don't have experience with being disagreed with?

Literally none of that means I have to tolerate comments like yours and refrain from responding to them.

Flutterflybutterby · 21/01/2022 15:48

@Innocenta

No, *@Flutterflybutterby*. ...people say things all the time that I disagree with, lol. If I accused people of hate or homophobia every time I disagree, I wouldn't have time to eat my lunch.

I'm saying you're homophobic because you're posting glaringly obviously homophobic things. In public. On an Internet forum. If you do that, then, yes, lesbians will see it and identify you as an obvious homophobe!

I don't have any problem with people disagreeing with me. I'm a vegan, I hate the Beatles and Game of Thrones, I'm not a big fan of dogs. I'm a Remainer. I'm strongly pro vaccines. You think I don't have experience with being disagreed with?

Literally none of that means I have to tolerate comments like yours and refrain from responding to them.

Nobody is saying you need to refrain from responding. It's the false accusations and emotive and inaccurate language which I think is questionable. But you do you 🤷🏾‍♀️

Flutterflybutterby · 21/01/2022 15:49

@Bitofachinwag

I agree Flutterflybutterby

Thank you, I'm glad someone does

Flutterflybutterby · 21/01/2022 15:50

Anyway, we are going round in circles, so I'm done here. Farewell! 👋

Innocenta · 21/01/2022 15:52

@Flutterflybutterby Nothing I've said is inaccurate, you're just unable to engage with me because I'm actually affected by this and I'm picking you up on your attempts to manipulate the conversation.

It's not acceptable to constantly put down the gay and lesbian contributors by insisting we are childish and stupid, as you and others have done. The superior understanding you think you have...? It doesn't exist.

Bitofachinwag · 21/01/2022 15:56

[quote Innocenta]@Bitofachinwag What exactly in that deeply homophobic post are you agreeing with? It's convenient when someone else says it so you don't have to, I suppose.

@Flutterflybutterby This isn't a free speech issue. I'm not recording what they say to each other in their own home, or even banning them from Twitter. What you don't seem to understand is that they engaged in hate.

So it doesn't go both ways, no, not when one side is just trying to live a normal life and the other side is engaging in hate. [/quote]
I agree with all of it. Especially the last sentence.

Which part do you find deeply homophobic?

Innocenta · 21/01/2022 15:59

So you think calling being gay a 'lifestyle' is acceptable, @Bitofachinwag ? Even though that's a very well known homophobic trope? Youre signed up to that? That has the bitofachinwag seal on it,,,? Good to know! You think the tone, the level of 'calm', is more important than the content of a belief?

For heaven's sake. Think about what you're putting your name/pseudonym to.

Kelly7889 · 21/01/2022 16:00

@Artichokeleaves

Well obviously they do have a place in modern society, they're living in it and it's ridiculous to pretend that society doesn't include people with these beliefs. It does. Those beliefs don't get changed by tutting and reporting to the police for wrong think, that just makes the divide of belief harder and them angrier. Having beliefs you may not agree with is not a crime.

If you discover that your seller is prejudiced and has incompatible views and doesn't want to sell to you - you shrug and go buy from someone else, because life is too short. You might think your seller is an unpleasant twit: that's not against the law. This whole punish and silence the wrongthinkers and be prejudiced against them really doesn't help anyone or solve anything. It's just prejudice in a different form.

I'm LGBT btw.

Bravo - brilliant reply.

loislovesstewie · 21/01/2022 16:01

I'm an atheist who doesn't like religious hypocrites. (to answer that query)

Innocenta · 21/01/2022 16:04

@Kelly7889 Perhaps you should read the umpteen comments by gay and lesbian posters who feel very strongly otherwise.