To think that Angela Rayner could be PM one day.

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I just think she's a breath of fresh air. She's real and authentic, she's come from a poor upbringing. She was her mums carer age 9, was a teenager mum, worked in social care and worked her way up the ladder. I just find it amazing that she's achieved all of this from how her life started. If she was running for PM and the next general election I will definitely be voting for her.

She's either completely thick or incredibly manipulative, I can't decide which. Every time she opens her mouth she spouts what she considers to be the popular opinion. She's attempting to "level down", to be one of the ordinary people, but to be a leader you need to be more than that. You have to engage with all the people, you have to listen to opinions from everyone and make informed decisions not just be The One Who Shouts Loudest.

She also doesn't know what a woman is - but then most of Labour, SNP, LD and Green politicians don't know either, which is very weird.

I like her and would have no problem with her being PM.

A lot of the criticism of her is uninformed in my opinion and based on prejudice rather than reality.

Not a chance. Still folk said that about Boris.

She’s a loose cannon, so no

Hi there Tory HQ She won't become pm, much like Raab or Prescott didn't as deputies.
No doubt an underhand juvenile attempt to frighten Middle England from contemplating voting Labour.
Just imagine the pearl clutching....
Saying that, I didn't like her association with Corbyn but she is growing on me.

NO NO NO

Crikey no. Not only would the world leaders run rings round her, so would her own colleagues. She doesn't represent or understand the working class at all, just a very small group of people, who she may encourage to engage with politics, but that is all.

I guess I meant with a working class accent

Margaret Thatcher gave the impression to those who care that she was “acceptable” - having been to Oxford and had her elocution lessons later on (I think) must have helped

Worst nightmare, it won’t happen thankfully.

@Brainwave89

..And google her interview with Nick Farrari as well.

I've just watched this

What a car-crash! She was completely unprepared, how embarrassing!

God I hope not.

@PronounssheRa

Both Angela Raynor and Lisa Nandy signed a pledge which committed to expelling women who raise concerns about women's rights and safeguarding, from the Labour Party.

Lisa Nandy also thinks any male, including rapists who self declare themselves as women should be housed in women's prisons if they commit crimes.

So it's a no from me.

Aside from all the other concerns about her ability to grow beyond being a good MP for local constituents - this with bells on.

Neither Rayner nor Nandy are interested in safeguarding woman so they can both piss right off. My politics are fairly left of centre but they’re both a huge disappointment by selling out women to get ass pats from the TRA crowd.

Hi there Tory HQ grin

That was my first though too.

Nobody who actually supported the Labour party would join MN just to post this. It's the equivalent of saying 'AIBU to admire Boris Johnson's integrity'.

I didn't like her association with Corbyn but she is growing on me.

Get some anti-fungal cream asap.

She doesn’t have a chance.

I do hope not! On one hand she is a breath of fresh air as you say,and has made huge progress from a poverty stricken background.However she would be out of her depth massively I think .World leaders,crisis at home she would be floundering . I think Harriet Harman would have been great in her day . ATM not many to choose from either male or female sadly .

I believe she can represent well those that had a rougher start in life.

I think she would be appallingly awful at representing the UK on the world stage: international trade policy, foreign policy, energy security, military usage, devolution - I don't believe she has it in her to conceive and develop the strategy needed to manage the choppy waters of being a major industrial nation in the international stage.

She may well be lovely as a person to meet and know, she has offered no evidence of the required skills to lead our country.

"Blah Blah Borris Blah Blah" --- sure, but this thread is about Angela Rayner.

Look, Angela mate, it's not going to happen, alright?

If Labour want to win the next election they have to attract the soft side of the Tory vote, the middle of the roaders who voted for Blair but then switched to the Tories. And they need to win back the group that switched to UKIP, Brexit, and then the right wing of the Tory Party in the Red Wall seats. They already have the votes of those who are committed to Labour.

I think Angela Rayner repels those in the middle ground. They do not take her seriously. Volume when arguing does not equate to strength. Most serious decision making is nuanced and requires an ability to deal with complex issues in a balanced way. She has not shown that she is able to do this.
She may appeal to some of the red wall voters but most would be put off by her views on immigration and failure to acknowledge the problems immigration has brought to their communities.

Starmer is much more likely to win the votes of the first group - and he is also better able to nuance discussion around complex issues which need addressing.

She is no States Person. Sat round a table of foreign dignitaries and politicians she would look uneducated and boorish. I don't dislike her and although her politics clash with mine often (I am GC) I think she is quite personable. Leader of the country's government though? Not a chance. She'd make us look no better than we do now with Boris the Clown.

I think I would vote for Yvette Cooper.

She seems a sensible and relatively principled sort.

Tory MP Christian Wakeford for bury south has jumped ship to labour in the Guardian.

Hahaha, that's a good one. Spat my coffee out laughing thanks OP.

BUT if you are being serious 😳, obnoxious, loud, ghastly, arrogant, horrible woman I would never vote labour whist she is ever slightly in the running. There has never been a worse role model.

@SpidersAreShitheads and @PronounssheRa put this more eloquently than I can, but: I cannot vote for a woman who is happy to throw vulnerable (or all) women under the bus so men can get access to same-sex safe places. So a big fat NO from me.

I’d much prefer Lisa Nandy. She’s very bright and an eloquent speaker.