To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall?

[GrendelsGrandma]

I know he'll be replaced by someone equally awful and I know he's not quite gone yet, but I can't remember when I felt uplifted about politics and the ejection of this national embarrassment is warming my cockles. Anyone else feel the same?

If the economy is doing so well why did they vote against VAT cuts on energy bills?

Cutting VAT on fuel bills was going to be one of the Brexit bonuses of leaving the EU.

I suppose the excuse now, like the missing £350 million a week for the NHS, is that they could do it, they didn't say they would.

So now we have claims about blackmailing MPs to vote against what they believe in or is right for their constituency or public funding will be withheld from their constituency. It just gets worse and worse, but doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Is this another investigation needed now? This government seem to be collecting them.

We will look back in history at this time as being lead by bloated, corrupt, self interested ignorant pigs.

@Peregrina

Cutting VAT on fuel bills was going to be one of the Brexit bonuses of leaving the EU.

I suppose the excuse now, like the missing £350 million a week for the NHS, is that they could do it, they didn't say they would.

Well he certainly lied about that.

My MP voted against the VAT cuts :(
He is one of the ERG too.

@GrendelsGrandma

I know he'll be replaced by someone equally awful and I know he's not quite gone yet, but I can't remember when I felt uplifted about politics and the ejection of this national embarrassment is warming my cockles. Anyone else feel the same?

Boris is one person, the structure and the establishment, the other people behind the scenes will all be their, so really what is actually achieved ?

So now we have claims about blackmailing MPs

I want to know what sort of stories could be leaked to the press to embarrass Tory MPs, in a party where being a congenital liar or fucking a dead pig is considered perfectly acceptable

@Grumpyoldpersonwithcats

So now we have claims about blackmailing MPs

I want to know what sort of stories could be leaked to the press to embarrass Tory MPs, in a party where being a congenital liar or fucking a dead pig is considered perfectly acceptable

I heard a rumour that one Tory MP had an IQ higher than...

Boris is one person, the structure and the establishment, the other people behind the scenes will all be their, so really what is actually achieved ?

If we took that view, we would never try to change anything@Hawkins001. Change is very often achieved one step at a time. Johnson being properly held to account for his actions could be a small step towards cleaning up politics.

Bloody weird thing to be happy about - the possible instability of a whole country.

Boris is one person, the structure and the establishment, the other people behind the scenes will all be their, so really what is actually achieved

Yeah fuck it. Let’s just revert back to feudalism and knowing our place.

Yes it’s practically a certainty that another brand of arsehole will fill the void but I’m not in favour of sitting by quietly whilst some wannabe Nero’s dance on the embers of my life. Let’s reestablish some boundaries and raise our standards a bit eh? Better that than some podgy, blustering scarecrow representing us on the world stage and half-arsedly running the country.

Oh my siiiiiiiides. Starmer has a party at work and you're lolling about it. We'll I'm sorry but people suffered you know, attended funerals alone and couldn't visit loved ones in care homes and here you are cracking jokes
I always thought I was anti social, but if someone drinking a beer in the office is a party, I go to about 3 or 4 a week.

Boris is one person, the structure and the establishment, the other people behind the scenes will all be their, so really what is actually achieved ?

A PM with integrity could clean the stables. God knows they need it, they stink to high heaven.

@Blossomtoes

Boris is one person, the structure and the establishment, the other people behind the scenes will all be their, so really what is actually achieved ?

A PM with integrity could clean the stables. God knows they need it, they stink to high heaven.

I keep hearing about Boris with integrity. Is Integrity the name of his new Mistress?

Also, fwiw, I’m beginning to think that what whatever is going on behind the scenes is slowly imploding. I don’t think there’s a salvage plan beyond ‘look over there’.

Go back a bit further than the present shit show the tories were completely blind sided by the EU referendum - even hardened brexiter’s didn’t actually expect to win. There was no replacement ready to bound into Cameron’s place and they’ve been in disarray since. Their allegiances are all over the place.

'I always thought I was anti social, but if someone drinking a beer in the office is a party, I go to about 3 or 4 a week.'

Exactly.

What allegiances? They’re traitorous weasels who’d sell their own grandmothers.

@ClaudineClare

Wonder if Florianus will be back at all to admit that they were wrong about the PM and his responsibility in relation to the Civil Service...

For the terminally hard of understanding, I will point out yet again that the person who runs the civil service at No.10 is called the Chief of Staff. The clue is in the name: Chief of Staff.

Do you not see that it is ludicrous to imagine that the person who has to go around the world representing the country at G7 and G10 meetings, not to mention COP, who runs cabinet meetings, who has to appear in the Commons and represent his Uxbridge constituents has spare time to manage the 170 civil servants who work in No.10?

I do not support Johnson, but I am keen to see the person who ran these parties - the one who ordered the cheese board and sent out the invitations, punished. I really do not see why a number of people here are so deluded that they think it would be a good thing to blame and punish the wrong person.

Once again, trying to maintain that the PM, being Minister for the Civil Service, runs the service, telling them when not to have meetings, where to buy paper clips or whatever other nonsense people dream up is also ludicrous. The only time that ministerial responsibility has been exercised in my memory was when Margaret Thatcher was taken to court by the Civil Service Unions when she tried to prevent GCHQ staff joining a union.

We are coming out of the pandemic in a strong position economically yes inflation is up but it is globally, the after effects of covid

Are we? highest energy prices among comparable european nations.. so good that 6m people, set to raise to 12m, are waiting for operations, 110k NHS vacancies and so strong an economy there is no money to build those 40 hospitals he promised us!!

2 year wait for trial, if you are raped today, don't expect a trial until 2025 ! So much for Boris supporting Womens Rights :(

He has got a lot right in the last 2 years, errors have been made but it could've been a million times worse if the opposition were in, we'd never have had Freedom day in July for starters. Starmer predicted a disastrous summer and as always he was wrong

153k deaths and rising, highest in Europe, it really couldn't have been worse.

@Florianus You forgot to mention in your post that the Prime Minister was also spending time in May 2020 for example on 10th May telling everyone not just those who work in Downing Street when and where they could meet up with one other person.

Seriously impressive how he got through all that work, although are you sure that he G7, G10 and COP meetings during the first lockdown?

Do you not see that it is ludicrous to imagine that the person who has to go around the world representing the country at G7 and G10 meetings, not to mention COP, who runs cabinet meetings, who has to appear in the Commons and represent his Uxbridge constituents has spare time to manage the 170 civil servants who work in No.10?

That was the line spouted by a Bojo supporting MP earlier...... we must listen to the same News programs.

There is such a thing as "responsibility" Bojo is, ultimately, in charge of No10, he sets the culture and tone of Downing Street and whilst the person who penned that email & organised the party should be held accountable, its also BJ who has to carry the can too.

According to people who know these things, the relationship between CofS and the PM is a very closing working one, as one would expect, its hardly likely he would go against the PMs wishes on such things.

Well in the light of Chief Torybot's latest offering I amend my last post. Those YC interns must be on an absolute fortune (plus an endless stream of after-work drinks, just like their boss).

For the terminally hard of understanding, I will point out yet again that the person who runs the civil service at No.10 is called the Chief of Staff. The clue is in the name: Chief of Staff.

I’m not sure whether you understand how normal life works.

It doesn’t matter what the organigram says. If the people working with and in close proximity to Boris Johnson came away from his briefings believing that the rules were optional his incompetence knows no bottom.

The only time that ministerial responsibility has been exercised in my memory was when Margaret Thatcher was taken to court by the Civil Service Unions when she tried to prevent GCHQ staff joining a union

Come on you can do better than that. It's 2021. Literally nobody gives a fuck about what Thatcher did.

Accountability is actually a thing, in non-Tory circles where people are less "hard of understanding".

It's actually 2022 but my phone is still as crap as it was last year.