To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall?

[GrendelsGrandma]

I know he'll be replaced by someone equally awful and I know he's not quite gone yet, but I can't remember when I felt uplifted about politics and the ejection of this national embarrassment is warming my cockles. Anyone else feel the same?

We are all aware through the media of the situation but today PMQ was yet again all about this . It’s as if nothing else that’s going on in the country matters .

Today was a disgrace .

What will be will be so let’s just get in with trying to recover from a pandemic and not some bullying campaign by the media and opposition alike .

Things would take their course with regards to leadership without all of this .

@JaniieJones

'A few years ago I went to a wake for an elderly relative. There was eating of canapés and drinking. of a toast. Was that a party?'

Yes it must have been!! if people ate and drank together, well yes. It's the new definition of a party.

Some funeral repasts or funeral receptions, often called a wake these days though a wake was the name for a vigil before the funeral initially, can be party like, particular for those outside the immediate core family unit.

They are very much a social gathering, usually with drinks and food, with people invited. There is less chance of their being 'entertainment' laid on. So not a party as such, but a social gathering.

Regardless, during this time social gatherings after funerals were restricted. In April they were not allowed at all. When restricted eased, you could have a very small number initially iirr, but socially distanced.

And social gathering, such as cheese and wine garden parties after work, we're not within the guidelines. They most definitely we not 'in the spirit of the guidelines', a phrase BJ was often found to be using at the time.

MPs represent the public. The public know that Johnson had/ has one rule for himself and his inner circle and another rule for the rest of the UK.

He's taken us for fools.That doesn't go down well with voters.

I have been to numerous work events for which the invitation reads something along the lines of "Please join us after work for drinks to celebrate John Doe's 40 years with the company". Is that a "party"?

Yes. It's a leaving party.

A few years ago I went to a wake for an elderly relative. There was eating of canapés and drinking. of a toast. Was that a party
Yes. A wake is a party to celebrate someone's life.
By the way, wakes were definitely banned during lockdown 1. I know as a close family member died and the funeral was 6 people at the grave side, no wake. Family hadn't seen her before she died as she was in a nursing home with cancer, so no visitors. It was horrific and just one example of ordinary people following the rules to their cost.

I'm very confused about this redefinition of "party"

@Unsure33

We are all aware through the media of the situation but today PMQ was yet again all about this . It’s as if nothing else that’s going on in the country matters .

Today was a disgrace .

What will be will be so let’s just get in with trying to recover from a pandemic and not some bullying campaign by the media and opposition alike .

Things would take their course with regards to leadership without all of this .

Bullying campaign what rot!

What is a disgrace is that he has tried to brush this under the carpet for months.

@JaniieJones

'Presumably because your point is rubbish. Nobody has pretended that anyone was working.'

Don't be so rude. My points arent 'rubbish' at all thanks very much.

No one has pretended anything. I think the facts are they were work colleagues eating and drinking at work. Just like Labour did.

Just because one group may or may not have done it as well doesn't make it okay for another to do so.

And even if Labour did do so, they can be investigated separately.

And more importantly Labour we're not the ones who wrote and delivered the rules to the whole country, on live TV. When you are in charge of leading the country through a pandemic, and you set out rules for the country to follow, at the very least you should follow them yourself, not try to bend them to let you have drinks with your mates,

@JaniieJones

'could you please provide the date when the Labour party or senior members of it attended a party of 25 or more people that broke the lockdown rules.'

No just the snap of Starmer in a room drinking beer and eating snacks whilst at work with work colleagues. Which is a party according to some of you. Indoors too, without windows open tut tut! It's no wonder he's forever isolating is it.

Sigh.

It was 3 people having a drink whilst working with no evidence of people - such as partners - being invited.

Compared to 40 people clearly not working with invitations sent out including partners etc.

Nobody is buying the desperate attempts to compare the two.

By the way, wakes were definitely banned during lockdown 1

Yes, and restricted for much longer too.

I sadly went to 3 funerals between March and July 2020 (fil, and both my grandmothers) - all 3 were subject to restrictions.

FIL - max 10 people, socially distanced, in the funeral itself. No wake or gathering permitted at all.

Grandma 1 - can't remember how many by no more than 25 people at the funeral allowed, all socially distanced. No wake or gathering allowed after, I was able to attend via Zoom.

Grandma 2 - think we were allowed 30 (possibly 25) at that point including at a reception or wake afterwards, with rule of 6 and socially distancing in place, plus masks.

So, why was Bj and his mates allowed to have a social gathering, with the purpose being to enjoy the nice weather, with several people attending, not socially distanced, no masks, etc when we couldn't even share a drink and sandwiches with FIL's friends after his funeral?

To be fair I think Starmer made an error of judgement in drinking while ‘working’ - even in the evening - with people because we were all so overly cautious, and the optics look worse against the context of the restrictions.

No one has pretended anything. I think the facts are they were work colleagues eating and drinking at work. Just like Labour did

You and others in the Tory circle inc Bojo, would do far better just admitting the parties, be transparent.. in other words own up.

He might still have to go but at least he'd have some dignity left, atm all you and others are doing is digging and making matters far worse for him, his party and indeed the country.

btw its almost certain, as this drags out, more people will come forward with allegations, emails and photos

This thread's about Alexander Johnson. Fuck Alexander.

@ENoeuf

To be fair I think Starmer made an error of judgement in drinking while ‘working’ - even in the evening - with people because we were all so overly cautious, and the optics look worse against the context of the restrictions.

The optics are completely insignificant in the context of the Tories’ 17 parties.

@22itsallnew

There are proceedures in place to deal with this . We don’t need the media and MPs to go over and over and over it again and ignore other business .

I never said it was not a disgrace what happened but two wrongs don’t make a right.

The country still needs to carry on .

And I consider ALL the people who kept this quiet for a year ( including the snitch and organisers ) equally responsible.

I imagine you said the same when Johnson illegally prorogued Parliament @Unsure33.

@JaniieJones

'David Davis asked the PM to resign today'

So what. Sir Edward Leigh told him to 'keep going', in a far more convincing manner than Davis' mumbling.

@JaniieJones You seem to have missed my post asking you whether you thought that David Davies, was ranting, pathetic and a silly man as you described another MP who asked the Prime Minister a question todday.

@DaisyTheUnicorn

There's another thread asking if Tory voters would still vote Tory. Of course they will 🙄

Actually I used to vote Tory... and in no way would vote for them now ! Definitely not. I'm disgusted

[quote Unsure33]@22itsallnew

There are proceedures in place to deal with this . We don’t need the media and MPs to go over and over and over it again and ignore other business .

I never said it was not a disgrace what happened but two wrongs don’t make a right.

The country still needs to carry on .

And I consider ALL the people who kept this quiet for a year ( including the snitch and organisers ) equally responsible.[/quote]
You are correct there are very important issues in the country being ignored because Big Dog does not have the guts to remove himself from constantly being the only thing his government is doing anything about.

'No just the snap of Starmer in a room drinking beer and eating snacks whilst at work with work colleagues. Which is a party according to some of you. Indoors too, without windows open tut tut! It's no wonder he's forever isolating is it'

Having a beer with your dinner at work is not the same as the actual government having multiple large parties, it's not even on the same fucking planet.

I don't see the point in waiting for the gray report. He lied to the last person who investigated him so we can't trust it.

We all see what we see. He needs to go now.

What don't get is how during the first lockdown Dominic Cummings was called a liar blah blah blah yet all of a sudden now everything he says is gospel? Don't get me wrong I think it's time for Boris to go but the sheer hypocrisy of it all astounds me

Quite right but according to the Mirror journalist who broke all this, Cummings isn't her source as they don't get on after she also broke the Barnard story!
Sky's Beth Rigby says she has been told of these parties by people still in No10... i think when 200 people work in a building plus MPs coming and going etc, its very hard to keep a story down.

@Blossomtoes

I imagine you said the same when Johnson illegally prorogued Parliament *@Unsure33*.

Yes there were proceedures in case to deal with it .

“ The Court concluded that Parliament has not been prorogued. However, the Court did not set out the implications of the Order. Rather the Court stated: ‘as Parliament is not prorogued, it is for Parliament to decide what to do next.’ [para. 70]”

In place.

Cummings is probably smart enough, however, to have not gone public without some kind of proof, so we'll see

I wonder if he will share that proof with Sue Gray? I do hope so. It would be wonderfully poetic justice if, after Johnson and co. telling us ad infinitum to wait for it, the Sue Gray report ends up being the smoking gun.

One can only hope...

@jgw1

Then his own MPs can do it .

[quote Unsure33]@jgw1

Then his own MPs can do it .[/quote]
So they should, but most of them don't seem to have any guts either.