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To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall?

998 replies

GrendelsGrandma · 19/01/2022 07:27

I know he'll be replaced by someone equally awful and I know he's not quite gone yet, but I can't remember when I felt uplifted about politics and the ejection of this national embarrassment is warming my cockles. Anyone else feel the same?

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ClaudineClare · 19/01/2022 11:49

Tory MP for Bury has just defected to Labour. Good timing, just as PMQs about to start.

Shambolicatthleast · 19/01/2022 11:50

I'm surprised @JaniieJones isn't on the 'Angela Rayner as PM' thread. All the usual thinly disguised misogynistic comments to be expected Shock and no doubt from the same people first in the line to accuse labour of neglecting its core electorate....she's just not the right kind of working class.

scooterbear · 19/01/2022 11:51

So Keir had a beer and a takeaway then carried on working. He has been honest about it. Once. One time. Boris attended a number of parties it seems and was allegedly aware of more. He has consistently lied and changed his story over this. Including lying to parliament.
He has allowed a culture of lying about this to become prevalent within his government. How can the two be viewed as being the same? There is no logic to that argument.

Goldenbear · 19/01/2022 11:54

The thing is though, the sleaze accusations are not going to win Labour any elections as that's all they seem to have. Equally, the electorate aren't stupid enough to think no sleaze exists in every Party as it is simply not true. So essentially, pushing this point over and over and appears sanctimonious, 'look credulous voters we told you so!' Everyone knows, you are not telling us anything new, lets get to the fundamentals of your policies, why should we vote for you, what do you stand for other than anti- tory corruption.

the80sweregreat · 19/01/2022 11:55

It's a shame they haven't said they would have an investigation into any Labour Party members who also broke the rules or tweaked the rules or whatever happened there
Trouble is, every single one of them probably broke a rule from Nicola Sturgeon forgetting her mask once inside , to Kier's beer drinking at work to the one who attended a funeral with many other people or even the professor who went to visit his mistress.
I once forgot my mask at work and one had to be found for me before I walked inside the building . Easy to do , but was soon rectified.
How far do we go here ?
Get shot of all of them ? Especially the ones who haven't been found out , which are many I suppose.
What they did with numerous parties or whatever it was was so wrong because the PM didn't understand the rules , but we have to see what they find out I guess and what Sue Gray finds out about them and if it was actual rule breaking or was work etc.
She will have to 'dig deep.'

the80sweregreat · 19/01/2022 12:02

Definitely Bullish Boris today.
Sounds chipper today on the radio

Shambolicatthleast · 19/01/2022 12:03

Lol one of his MPs has defected to labour....

Cornettoninja · 19/01/2022 12:04

@Goldenbear I don’t disagree with your points and agree that the majority of the population are well aware that the political elite have sticky fingers in many pies as a result of their positions. I think most are pissed off by it but generally as long as we’re not actively being scorned and reminded that they think we’re peasants we don’t really care. We have very low standards but standards all the same.

BewareTheLibrarians · 19/01/2022 12:05

I think I’m getting the hang of Tory doublespeak..

People who do the corruption: fine, nothing to see, stop overreacting.
Person revealing the corruption: bad, destroying the country.

Media & Cummings reporting on things that actually happened: bad, destroying the country.
Murdoch (and his branch of the media) influencing government policy: this is fine.

“Murdoch reportedly asked Johnson to scrap the BBC while bouncing the PM's son Wilfred on his knee at Chequers.”

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/reminder-rupert-murdoch-told-boris-johnson-to-get-rid-of-the-bbc-308643/

MarshaBradyo · 19/01/2022 12:08

Listening to Starmer and PMQ - this is dragging on so long, embarrassing on the whole. All the carry on in parliament

Hortensia16 · 19/01/2022 12:12

The MP defecting to labour shows that he couldn't give a damn about the constituents who elected him. Only interested in saving his own skin. Regardless of the party I think an MP defecting to another party should trigger a by-election.

jgw1 · 19/01/2022 12:20

[quote Blessex]@CamomileTeabag frankly they are the least bad for women yes. Yes they are.

And yes. Women’s and girls rights happen to be extremely important to me. So you go vote for who you like but for me that is the line that will never be crossed. Now you jog on and vote for misogyny.[/quote]
Which party voted against adding misogyny to the list of hate crimes this week?

Cornettoninja · 19/01/2022 12:22

@Hortensia16

The MP defecting to labour shows that he couldn't give a damn about the constituents who elected him. Only interested in saving his own skin. Regardless of the party I think an MP defecting to another party should trigger a by-election.
I agree it should trigger a by-election but I disagree it shows he doesn’t give a damn about his constituents, indeed it tells me that he doesn’t believe he can operate within the framework of the Tory party to provide what he thinks he should be providing to his constituents. It strengthens my own belief that there is no one to replace BJ who would be much better.
ClaudineClare · 19/01/2022 12:22

Very bullish and aggressive. Is it enough to save him?

Keir's BYOB joke was very funny.

MarshaBradyo · 19/01/2022 12:23

@Hortensia16

The MP defecting to labour shows that he couldn't give a damn about the constituents who elected him. Only interested in saving his own skin. Regardless of the party I think an MP defecting to another party should trigger a by-election.
Yes I agree
jgw1 · 19/01/2022 12:24

@Goldenbear

The thing is though, the sleaze accusations are not going to win Labour any elections as that's all they seem to have. Equally, the electorate aren't stupid enough to think no sleaze exists in every Party as it is simply not true. So essentially, pushing this point over and over and appears sanctimonious, 'look credulous voters we told you so!' Everyone knows, you are not telling us anything new, lets get to the fundamentals of your policies, why should we vote for you, what do you stand for other than anti- tory corruption.
Labour have gained two seats in the last month due to sleaze. Which party has a policy on energy bills and tried to do something about the rising cost of them in the last week?
longwayoff · 19/01/2022 12:25

Crying? Smirking his head off at PMQs. Utter disgrace.

SueSaid · 19/01/2022 12:27

@longwayoff

Crying? Smirking his head off at PMQs. Utter disgrace.
'Smirking his head off' at the pathetic, ranting Blackford.
jgw1 · 19/01/2022 12:29

'Smirking his head off' at the pathetic, ranting Blackford.

I worry about anyone who isn't ranting about the behaviour of the Prime Minister, and his smirking at the thought that he has broken the law just adds to it.

In what way do you think that Blackford is pathetic? I am not a fan of the SNP, but it seems to me that he is always measured and willing to ask important questions.

SueSaid · 19/01/2022 12:31

'In what way do you think that Blackford is pathetic? I am not a fan of the SNP, but it seems to me that he is always measured and willing to ask important questions.'

He is supposed to ask a question, instead he gives a longwinded speech usually ending with 'resign Prime Minister RESIGN!!!'. He's predictable if nothing else.

ClaudineClare · 19/01/2022 12:32

I think it all hangs now on Sue Gray's report. If he rides that out, the next test will be the May local elections.

I wonder whether Cummings still has one or two final cards to play, though...

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 19/01/2022 12:33

@Goldenbear

The thing is though, the sleaze accusations are not going to win Labour any elections as that's all they seem to have. Equally, the electorate aren't stupid enough to think no sleaze exists in every Party as it is simply not true. So essentially, pushing this point over and over and appears sanctimonious, 'look credulous voters we told you so!' Everyone knows, you are not telling us anything new, lets get to the fundamentals of your policies, why should we vote for you, what do you stand for other than anti- tory corruption.
There isn't an election for 2 years.
jgw1 · 19/01/2022 12:33

@JaniieJones

'In what way do you think that Blackford is pathetic? I am not a fan of the SNP, but it seems to me that he is always measured and willing to ask important questions.'

He is supposed to ask a question, instead he gives a longwinded speech usually ending with 'resign Prime Minister RESIGN!!!'. He's predictable if nothing else.

So you don't think it reasonable to ask the Prime Minister to resign, given that the Prime Minister has broken the law, and lied to the House of Commons?

Wierd.

anotherchocolate · 19/01/2022 12:34

What downfall? He's a barnacle.