To ask would you still vote Tory after everything Boris has done and if so, why?

[bookworm1982]

My husband and I were talking about this over dinner and I'm genuinely interested in people's answers (not looking to wind anyone up).

I am a floating voter, because I believe saying 'I could never vote for that party' is very narrow minded. Parties change, they all have good and bad things about them, and it's good to have a mix of governments. I currently think the Tories have been in power too long and would normally vote for another party this year.

However, I will vote Tory again as they are the only party to have not actively shown they hate women. At the moment I am a one policy voter due to the fact women's rights in England & Wales are in peril. It scares me what is happening in Scotland and I will sacrifice all other issues to keep the basic necessity of single sex spaces.

I also agree with PP that its quite shocking that the opposition isn't making mincemeat of this current government, it's not like they're not being given the ammo! What is going on?

I am really shocked by people suggesting tories are the best option for women’s rights. It is women who will (and already are) suffer the most as a result of Tory policies such as austerity, dismantling and chronic underfunding of health and social care, and taking far too little action on climate change.

How that equates to a positive outcome for women, I have no idea.

@longcovidcandoone

So the Tories introduced Self ID? I’m surprised. Some Tories have been at least vocal about women’s rights not being sabotaged by the trans movement!

I had wrongly assumed that was a Labour policy.

Women should not have to fear being raped in a women’s prison FFS.

I believe it was a way to avoid introducing same sex marriage. Now we have same sex marriage (rightly) it should be revoked.

I was thinking more of the poster who wished death on Conservative voters

Maybe learn to read, rather than demonstrating Tories don't get nuance ?

Just an idea. Otherwise ...

...the one that called them stupid.

may have had a point ?

@BigHeartyTruffle

I am really shocked by people suggesting tories are the best option for women’s rights. It is women who will (and already are) suffer the most as a result of Tory policies such as austerity, dismantling and chronic underfunding of health and social care, and taking far too little action on climate change.

How that equates to a positive outcome for women, I have no idea.

It's not about thinking the harm won't be done. It's about which harm will be easier to undo. Women's rights are very fragile, some of which were only achieved in the last thirty years. Most people effected by poverty will clamour for change. Many people won't do the same for women's rights. Either because it doesn't effect them(men) or they're resigned to poorer treatment due to female socialisation.

@DGRossetti

I was thinking more of the poster who wished death on Conservative voters

Maybe learn to read, rather than demonstrating Tories don't get nuance ?

Just an idea. Otherwise ...

...the one that called them stupid.

may have had a point ?

There is a total of one (possibly Labour voter) engaging in the conversation.

It's not you.

The SNP support independence. Independence would utterly destroy Scotland England. Utterly destroy it.

Fixed that for you @Mountaingoat12

Back to the point of the thread.

People who vote Tory do so out of self interest and will continue to do so until such times as a Tory policy negatively affects them (and they can't scapegoat it on to the poor and/or immigrants). Selfishness is the only reason I can think of as to why someone would look at a party who are demonstrably dishonest, inept, negligent, sexist and misogynist, abusive, sleazy, and corrupt and still think "Yup they're the guys for me".

@AutumnAlmanack

Yes, I will still vote Conservative. I have voted for them all my life because I believe in their values and most of their policies, such as low taxes, encouraging hard work and allowing people to enjoy the money they have made, or inherited as the case may be. I do not agree with Trade Unions or strikes, and I believe their immigration policy is more reasonable than that of Labour, although I do agree they need to actually put it into practice.

I would never vote Labour in a million years.

Taxes are always higher for ordinary people under the Tories, that is a fact. You are getting confused with the fact they cut taxes for higher earners such as those earning 100k+. Historically they pay for this by raising taxes for everyone else and slashing public services. Have a look at the NI rises that are coming.

Encouraging hard work? You mean like the Brittania Unchained mob who think British people are among the worst idlers in the world and think we should take a leaf out of Chinas book and scrap all bank holidays so we can work more.

You don't agree with Trade Unions? That's mental, do you know that without trade unions we wouldn't have weekends? 13 million people are members of trade unions - how do you expect normal peoples pay to ever increase if we don't have trade unions? What do you think will happen to employment laws and rights without having unions?

Immigration is just something you're going to have to live with no matter who is in charge regardless of what they say. The year is 2022, not 1922 and if you want to staff services such as the NHS or a pension then you're going to need it. The current government are in negotiations to allow freedom of movement from India in case you are unaware to make up the shortfall of workers that we need following the withdrawal from the EU. Also despite their overt racism, Tories need immigration due to their donors need for cheaper labour.

Anyway, I assume you're the type that supports political parties and specifically the Conservatives in a tribal sense like a football team and so have lost the ability to think critically about such things.

And I don't like the way stupid is bandied about like some kind of crime.
I have worked with plenty of people you might seem stupid. Guilty of voting wrong think. Parroting beliefs they grew up with without question. More general things like being unable to read well so prefer simpler papers.

I find engaging with what they think and providing facts so they can arrive at their own conclusions better than calling them names.

So come on engage.

Voting Tory after the last two years is a sickness, truly.

Benefits cut for the poorest of our society, and yet billions written off in fraudulent covid claims.

@BigHeartyTruffle

I am really shocked by people suggesting tories are the best option for women’s rights. It is women who will (and already are) suffer the most as a result of Tory policies such as austerity, dismantling and chronic underfunding of health and social care, and taking far too little action on climate change.

How that equates to a positive outcome for women, I have no idea.

For me its because the other parties will remove the absolute basic necessity of single sex spaces.

In my experience as a floating voter, I find the left so much more misogynistic than the right. Right wingers tend to have a view that if you can do the job they don't really care, what you look like. They're not going to help you or notice the fact that a person of colour or a woman, or someone with disabilities may have struggled more than their white, male privilege but at the top, all accepting. Hence, two women prime ministers.

Left wingers are much more vocal about how much they help women, people of colour etc, but when you actually look, it is still predominantly white male led, doing things the way white males want it done.

@caringcarer

I'll still be voting Conservative. I don't trust Labour with economy. Remember the note they left when leaving office last time, no money left. Just think back to Brown he had half of the country on to benefits. I don't like Sunak either. Not good choices ATM but Conservatives better than others.

And you trust this lot with the economy? Highest taxation for 70 years. Multiples of the national debt of 2010. Catch yourself on.

So the Tories introduced Self ID? I’m surprised. Some Tories have been at least vocal about women’s rights not being sabotaged by the trans movement!

I had wrongly assumed that was a Labour policy.

No, Self ID is a Conservative proposal. Why did you think it was Labour @longcovidcandoone? They haven't been in power for over 10 years.

Yes, why? Because there is a big difference between bad and unelectable, divisive and clueless.

Also, I have never seen any TORY in power that the left has left to get on with the mandate.

It is the economy stupid 🤣

What the Tories have done to the economy by dragging us into Brexit has caused decades of harm. They are also single handedly destroying public services that will again take decades to resolve. The court services, social services, the court services, education and the police are just on the verge of collapse.

This. Those public services had already been woefully underinvested in for years, starting with Thatcher, and the subsequent Labour governments had started to repair the damage. Now the Tories have brought them to their knees. But die hard Tories don’t care about public services because they don’t have to use them. And I despair that some are so one-eyed about the trans issue that they are prepared to throw everything else under the bus.

@Kendodd

With regard self ID I would point out this was a Tory idea. The rocketing number of trans children and trans women in womens prisons etc have all happened under Tory watch.

Personally, I am absolutely dead against self ID and have written to Labour, Greens and Lib Dems about it. Despite this the idea that the Tories care about women is absolutely laughable. I would guess that half the 120,000 (conservative estimate) people killed by Tory austerity over the last decade were women.

You keep quoting that figure but it doesn't really stand up to analysis.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-austerity-kill-120000-people

Surely it is too early to say who you would vote for in the next GE, a lot can happen in two years as we are all very aware.
As far as the Conservatives and the economy, lets see how things pan out for the majority of the population over the next two years. They might have been able to sidestep cuts to services and the effects of austerity last time with all the Brexit stuff. I wonder what will be their diversionary rallying cry next time ?

Also, I have never seen any TORY in power that the left has left to get on with the mandate.

That’s how democracy works in a Parliamentary system.

Can you provide examples of the inverse?

@Mountaingoat12

I live in Scotland so I’d vote for any party whatsoever if it was the party most likely to beat the snp in my constituency. But I wouldn’t if I had a choice, and I wouldn’t vote for any of the current cabinet if they were to succeed Boris, with the exception of Ben Wallace seems to know what he’s doing in defence. All of the rest of them are just unbelievablely appalling - it’s a joke!

Me too anyone but SNP

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/yougov-poll-labour-lead-london-boris-johnson-party-downing-st-plan-b-b977489.html

Labour now sits on 55 per cent in the capital, with the Tories on 23 per cent, the Liberal Democrats nine per cent, Greens seven per cent and Reform UK three per cent.

Patrick English, Political Research Manager at YouGov, said: “Clearly, this poll is not good news for the Prime Minister and the Conservatives in London.

I do wonder if Boris goes because he lied about parties , then there will be less come back on him when Brexit doesn't pan out as he said promised it would. He will be free to heckle whoever is left to clear up his mess from the back benches.

It’s just shocking how economically illiterate and blind to the drastic implications of independence so many SNP voters are. Do they not care about people on benefits? People that work for the public sector? Pensioners? People with mortgages? They just stick their fingers in their ears and ignore it all, choosing to believe instead the sheer nonsense that Nicola spouts as it suits their ridiculous notion that Scotland is somehow downtrodden and hampered being in the union. Sign!

@Mountaingoat12

It’s just shocking how economically illiterate and blind to the drastic implications of independence so many SNP voters are. Do they not care about people on benefits? People that work for the public sector? Pensioners? People with mortgages? They just stick their fingers in their ears and ignore it all, choosing to believe instead the sheer nonsense that Nicola spouts as it suits their ridiculous notion that Scotland is somehow downtrodden and hampered being in the union. Sign!

As already noted - the UK voted for Brexit. So trying to scare people by telling them they will be poorer doesn't work.

I vote Labour, usually, or Lib Dem, occasionally, but I'm not particularly bothered about the "work party" in the Downing Street garden and if it had been a Labour PM I wouldn't vote against them for that reason.

I continued to vote Labour after Blair's war on Iraq, so although I agree that Boris and Carrie's after-work knees-up takes the piss, it's not that big in my view.