To ask would you still vote Tory after everything Boris has done and if so, why?

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My husband and I were talking about this over dinner and I'm genuinely interested in people's answers (not looking to wind anyone up).

I will only vote for parties who respect biological reality and don’t try to erode women’s rights. So that’s Labour ruled out. It seems like voting Conservative is the only option unfortunately.

I came here, read @Thirtytimesround 's post and you've said everything I was going to say.

I voted LibDem last time and have hope that they, or the Greens, or Labour, or SOMEONE will wake up and become the party I dream of - socially liberal, economically moderate, has climate change as their priority, is not struggling with anti-semitism or racism, knows what a woman is, and ideally would have been remain for Brexit but now tries to make the best of where we are re: our closest market. As far as I can tell, I would like a government made up of left-wing Tory Europhile environmentalists and old-school Labour types like Alan Johnson.

I think Brexit won as poor people voted for something that may or may not improve their lives, but they thought it was worth a gamble, they didn’t understand the downsides fully and they didn’t like foreigners. I can see Scottish independence succeeding for the same reasons. Poorly educated racists.

There is no GOOD option. But yes as of now I would vote Tory.

I don't like this govt but they're easing off the restrictions which is a key issue for me. Labour has backed every Covid restriction and called for more. And I see nothing to vote FOR in Starmer's lot, none of them seem to speak for my priorities.

Being dismissed as thick/scum by rude, self-righteous tribalists has no impact on my voting choices, if anything I'm happy not to be aligned with them.

Be curious to know if this thread reflects the 30% of people who don't vote.

Do some people in some constituencies really only have 3-4 options on their ballot paper and not have any independent candidates they could vote for?

I usually have around 10 different options where I live.

If people continually vote Tory despite not wanting to and 'having no option' then they will always feel they have a green light to continue to engage in corruption and that injustices are okay. We'll also never see the end of the 18th century model of democracy we currently have with FPTP.

I don't trust the Tories but I trust Labour even less (and nobody else has a realistic chance). I can imagine a Labour-SNP coalition which would be devastating for the country.

I'm one of the people who dislikes Johnson but genuinely couldn't care less about lockdown parties. It's a distraction and largely irrelevant. Attack him on his track record, his refusal to lockdown sooner/harder/longer, unemployment, service cuts, higher taxes, the refusal to use force to prevent cross channel migrants and so on - the stuff that actually matters.

@hayley037

Do some people in some constituencies really only have 3-4 options on their ballot paper and not have any independent candidates they could vote for?

I usually have around 10 different options where I live.

If people continually vote Tory despite not wanting to and 'having no option' then they will always feel they have a green light to continue to engage in corruption and that injustices are okay. We'll also never see the end of the 18th century model of democracy we currently have with FPTP.

Yes, my last ballot paper had Tory/Labour/Lib Dem/UKIP. It's a safe Tory seat so the other parties and independents tend not to bother wasting their deposit money.

Being dismissed as thick/scum by rude, self-righteous tribalists has no impact on my voting choices, if anything I'm happy not to be aligned with them.
Yes I cringe at what I used to be like. At least moving away from tribal politics has made me less actively twattish.

I'm sure I still am twattish but at least now it is not intentional.

@AlexaShutUp you do realise that the people that gender ideology affects the most are the disadvantaged in society right? Not middle class women. Women in prison. Women who are less literate and so don’t understand health messages asking them to come for a cervical screen if ‘woman’ is not being made explicit. Girls with autism who are being told they are ‘in the wrong body’ and put in irreversible puberty blockers and having their breasts and wombs removed. Women who go to a rape crisis centre and are told by the head of that centre (with penis) that they need to ‘reframe their trauma’. Young college women who are having to compete in sports against people born biologically a male and gone through male puberty.

You do realise all this right? In fact someone said to me - why the hell do you care about women in prison. Leave them be. Well I do. I just do.

@Alayalaya can't you just not vote or vote for an independent. Independents are often conservative and talking about saving the village green or the local waitrose or something like that! of course it depends on where you live.

You should be asking why, after everything, people still feel that labour is not a viable option to run the country?

Why our opposition is useless, and why they seem to love sitting on the fence so much?

I dont trust BoJo, but I do prefer the back benches of tory than labour. I dont trust labour to not turn the rights of women on their head in favour of their trans activist buddies.

@rookiemere

As to why don't I like SNP, well I work for a financial institution based here and if Scottish Independence happened they, and many other big companies, would move their headquarters down to England, so many jobs lost and house prices would plummet.

Already pay more taxes as marginal higher earner - tbh I didn't disagree with that when it was brought in - but educational attainment is a fiasco in Scotland and I don't think the NHS is performing any better.

Don't get me wrong, I can't see much positive about the conservative party, it just seems better than the Scottish alternative for me.

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Yes, my last ballot paper had Tory/Labour/Lib Dem/UKIP. It's a safe Tory seat so the other parties and independents tend not to bother wasting their deposit money.

Same here. That’s why I spoilt my paper.

@WorriedMumsDontSleep It's not about thinking conservative will do anything actively good for women. It's about stopping labour, greens and Dems in who will actively dismantle sex based rights. They took hundreds of years to put in, we can't afford to build.yhem up again.

100% this. Altho the Tories have put the brakes on self id and Patel did tell the police to stop recording male crime as female. Some promising shoots. Meanwhile the SNP, Labour and Green are all facing the opposite direction. Usually bearded men spouting their pronouns because they think it makes them look cool.

@Blessex I am 29 and a bit baffled by all this talk about trans right. my 23 year old SIL just told me that I was supporting an evil and transphobic organization called the BBC by taking out a TV license. This goes right over my head and I don't pretend to understand any of it. she linked me an article where the BBC was interviewing some lesbians who were saying that they felt pressured to have sex with people with male biology. Clearly no one should have sex with anyone they don't want to, I don't know how that is somehow transphobic and it is not transphobic to write an article about it. Would it be islamaphobic to write an article about the rochdale child sex abuse ring because its members were mainly of Pakistani heritage? Its not like the article was a blanket statement on a whole group of people.

but i think this whole phenomenon is unstoppable. Its no use voting for the tories because you think that would somehow reverse this phenomenon. The young own the future and this is their view. We just have to accept it and move with the times. That doesn't mean I am going to start broadcasting my personal pronouns or stop calling myself as a woman but it is not going to influence my voting decisions when they have already won the fight. I would rather concentrate on things that I can change like bread and butter issues for the poorest in society. those are easier problems that can be solved with the right government in charge.

@AlexaShutUp it’s not happening under Tory rule! It is the SNP and Green Party who want to bring in self id in Scotland. Labour also support it. The Tories are actually holding the line.

@Hapoydayz

Yes I'd vote tory. The opposition parties are a very scary prospect in comparison.

I wouldn't vote for a party led by Boris but, depending on who takes over, I might consider voting for the Tories. They're the only party that haven't swallowed the Stonewall/self-ID/trans women are women koolaid.

Yes. I’m also voting for my MP and policies, not the leader.

I voted LibDem last time and have hope that they, or the Greens, or Labour, or SOMEONE will wake up and become the party I dream of - socially liberal, economically moderate, has climate change as their priority, is not struggling with anti-semitism or racism, knows what a woman is, and ideally would have been remain for Brexit but now tries to make the best of where we are re: our closest market. As far as I can tell, I would like a government made up of left-wing Tory Europhile environmentalists and old-school Labour types like Alan Johnson.

100%. I mean that’s not much to ask right? Sigh.

but i think this whole phenomenon is unstoppable

That bleak view may be so, but I want to be able to look women and girls of the future in the eye and say I tried my best.
And I'm relatively young so it's not a view universally accepted by the youth. Just those who haven't given it much headspace or thought about the repercussions.

[quote AutumnAlmanack]@Pinkyantelope - the Conservatives did not 'drag' the country into Brexit. It was what the majority voted for - they were merely putting the wishes of the majority into effect.[/quote]
David Cameron, the Tory PM at the time, introduced the referendum as a sop to the right wing of his party. He failed to adequately present the arguments against Brexit. Much of the current Tory cabinet fronted the Brexit campaign and merrily lied about the implications, surely you remember the fatuous NHS bus. It was a Tory idea, promoted by the Tories, the lies were promulgated by the Tories and it was a sop to the right wing members of the then Tory MPs.

I note that you don't dispute the ramifications...

@Mountaingoat12

It’s just shocking how economically illiterate and blind to the drastic implications of independence so many SNP voters are. Do they not care about people on benefits? People that work for the public sector? Pensioners? People with mortgages? They just stick their fingers in their ears and ignore it all, choosing to believe instead the sheer nonsense that Nicola spouts as it suits their ridiculous notion that Scotland is somehow downtrodden and hampered being in the union. Sign!

Under the tories we have had Brexit and austerity. We have tax rises and the fastest increase in the cost of living in living memory.

What's been the impact on public sector, pensioners and mortgage holders because of that?

So yeah, don't think anyone gets to suggest that Scotland is somehow benefiting from being tied to a UK government which repeatably shows utter contempt for Scotland and devolution.

@onlychildhamster that’s an interesting take. I am more hopeful than you. It is only recently that the gaslighting stranglehold Stonewall has had on 850 organisations (broadcasters, Ofcom, nhs, universities, schools, government, lawyers, private businesses etc) is starting to loosen and sunlight is being shone on the reality of what gender ideology really means. Stonewall policy has been one of ‘no debate’. That is finally coming to an end and people are waking up out of their zombie like ‘be kind’ trances and realising what is really happening. And luckily that includes youngsters too. Indeed a lot of teenagers are on the coalface of this issue and are thankfully seeing through it. Just a shame the adults are taking so long to enter the room. But they are entering now and are realising the harm this ideology is doing to women and girls.

It is hurting women in prison, rape crisis centres and refuges. Putting women at risk where they are vulnerable such as hospital wards and changing rooms. Allowing biological men to compete against female athletes who have been training all their life to no avail. Telling our kids (often autistic or with other mental health issues) that they were born in the wrong body and there is an ‘easy fix’ - irreversible puberty blockers and removal of breasts and wombs. Often gay kids. It is reinforcing old fashioned gender stereotypes that if you don’t like pink and dolls you can’t possibly be female - you are a man. Its regressive. Misogynistic and funnily enough favoured by either people who are not clever enough to see through it or haven’t thought/learnt enough about it (maybe your sister in law sits there) or bearded ‘liberal’ men who have gleefully found a way to be women haters whilst looking on the outside as if they are progressive and liberal.