Page 9 | To think this is getting ridiculous…

RenGreen · 2022-01-14T12:37:45+00:00

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59997364]] I mean putting to one side she’s the Queen a woman who lost her husband after a 73 year marriage and unable to have her family by her side…a woman herself in her 90s whislt the civil servants whose advice she followed party!!!! On top of that the other people of this nation who were protecting their loved ones - losing loved ones. Not holding celebrations. I do not believe anyone can defend this PM or his advisor/administration. We can and MUST do better.

007Stocko · 16/01/2022 09:27

@sweetgingercat

Our system is broken and needs a lot of repair. We need competent trustworthy people to act in our best interests. We need...

Some sort of coalition government to sort this out.
PR - FPTP is the problem that got us here.
An elected upper house

4 Restrictions on political donations (esp from overseas)

More local democracy
Restrictions on press ownership and delinking between political parties and press.
No more Facebook/Cambridge Analytica type campaigning
Possibly an elected head of state (rather than a royal family)

Thats to start with...

Number 8 is an absolute no,no. What on earth is your thinking!!

The amount of income the Royal Family bring to this country aside, an elected head of state would simply magnify the issues of our parliament. Do we really want a Putin or a Trump in such a position!!!

Peregrina · 16/01/2022 09:29

Don't episodes like the Owen Paterson affair, the payment for flat refurbishment, the unlawful procurement contracts, the care home mess, the PPE failure, and indeed defending Cummings bother you in the least?

I am left with the impression that for some people, the answer is "No".

Pr1mr0se · 16/01/2022 13:09

What makes anyone think this is any different from any other time or any other government either here or abroad? There will always people who will bend the rules/ break them for their own gain and to hell with anyone else as to become a politician you have to be pretty egotistical in the first place.

Blossomtoes · 16/01/2022 13:30

@Pr1mr0se

What makes anyone think this is any different from any other time or any other government either here or abroad? There will always people who will bend the rules/ break them for their own gain and to hell with anyone else as to become a politician you have to be pretty egotistical in the first place.

What makes me think it is personal experience from 50 years of being an adult. This government leaves me staring in utter disbelief. It also leaves Major, the last decent Tory PM we had, doing the same thing. We used to have Tory governments led by grown ups who had some integrity and personal conviction, however much you might disagree with their policies. I absolutely detested Thatcher with every fibre of my being; this lot make her look like a paragon of virtue.

DebHagland · 16/01/2022 15:12

When I was working for a well known market research company.....the rule was simple....drinking at work or being under the influence of alcohol at work would result in instant dismissal.
It seems government, ministers, staff and advisers spend a good portion of their so called working time drinking alcohol and socializing instead of working. No wonder the country is in such a state.
When the PM can't tell the difference between a work meeting and a party, it says it all.

kittensinthekitchen · 16/01/2022 15:33

During the days of regular live TV briefings, I've often seen people question if Boris was under the influence of something or other. I think we now know the likely answer to that.

pigsDOfly · 16/01/2022 19:56

When the PM can't tell the difference between a work meeting and a party, it says it all.

It does seem as if boozy parties are part and parcel of his working life so perhaps he genuinely doesn't know that booze (and cheese) are not required at work meetings.

There does appear to be a massive gap between Downing Street and every other working environment in the country.

AllThePogs · 16/01/2022 23:58

Boris Johnson does often appear under the influence of something as said.
I guess if the leader is getting pissed and taking drugs, it may create an environment where others do the same.

Wreath21 · 17/01/2022 00:42

Oh, Priti Patel's going to come leaping out of the background to declare that she never went to any parties, that parties are evil (even more so when the plebs are having them) and that we should all spend any time not taken up by Working Hard in spying on and grassing up our neighbours for all sorts of sins... she's got a little list.

AJGranny · 17/01/2022 16:45

@sweetgingercat

Our system is broken and needs a lot of repair. We need competent trustworthy people to act in our best interests. We need...

Some sort of coalition government to sort this out.
PR - FPTP is the problem that got us here.
An elected upper house

4 Restrictions on political donations (esp from overseas)

More local democracy
Restrictions on press ownership and delinking between political parties and press.
No more Facebook/Cambridge Analytica type campaigning
Possibly an elected head of state (rather than a royal family)

Thats to start with...

All this please. I'd also like to throw in some kind of supertax on ex MPs as it seems to have become vehicle for massive personal financial gain. Changes to party and campaign funding too.

Peregrina · 17/01/2022 17:17

I'd also like to stop MPs who are thrown out by the electorate being bumped up to the Lords. Preferably reform the Lords, or abolish them too.

kittensinthekitchen · 17/01/2022 17:37

I'd like to see MPs being paid the living wage, with salary increase for time served. Happy to allow reasonable expenses to cover for the job they do though

sue20 · 20/01/2022 09:28

@StoneofDestiny

Never was it more obvious that the Tories are a London/England centred party - Rees Mogg can't remember the Welsh Tory Party Leader and dismisses the Scottish Tory Party Leader as a 'lightweight'. Great at helping forward the case for Independence 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

JRM is not representative of anything going on in this century so not a good example. I think the North /South argument is not the point at the moment. I don’t ever vote Tory and think this particular group seem to be especially awful.

Jux · 20/01/2022 14:35

I would like to see an end to Party politics altogether. I think Parties are at the root of the corruption, all MPs should be independent to truly represent their constituents' interests. Donations can be made to the Political Process as a whole and be divvied up equally.

user1497207191 · 20/01/2022 15:34

@Jux

I would like to see an end to Party politics altogether. I think Parties are at the root of the corruption, all MPs should be independent to truly represent their constituents' interests. Donations can be made to the Political Process as a whole and be divvied up equally.

I have to agree. I've always voted for the person, not the party, and have always voted for someone local who seems to understand local issues and has their own voters in mind, rather than someone parachuted in from London central office who can barely find the constituency and shows no interest in local issues.

At the last election, the Labour candidate just sent round generic Labour party handouts, not tailored at all for local concerns. In a couple of interviews, she was obsessed with national politics and didn't seem to have a clue about our area. Needless to say, she didn't get my vote. Contrast that with the 1990's when I voted Labour twice in a row for a local woman who was already well known as she was a city councillor who'd been VERY active locally for a decade - she won by a landslide. In the last election, the Parachuted in candidate lost by a landslide.

Voters need to start taking responsibility and actually bothering to look at their candidates as people, rather than blindly following national political lines.