To think this is getting ridiculous…

[RenGreen]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59997364

I mean putting to one side she’s the Queen a woman who lost her husband after a 73 year marriage and unable to have her family by her side…a woman herself in her 90s whislt the civil servants whose advice she followed party!!!!

On top of that the other people of this nation who were protecting their loved ones - losing loved ones. Not holding celebrations. I do not believe anyone can defend this PM or his advisor/administration. We can and MUST do better.

@tigger1001

So what is stopping you?

@phishy

YABU because this whole concern for the Queen is so slavish.

She’s an extremely privileged woman surrounded by her family, she is just fine.

If you think she’s been crying at this you’re deluded.

Feel sorry for the public who have followed the rules, much of whom in tiny homes.

She is very privileged but she is also a woman that has lost her lifelong partner. Some enthalpy wouldn't go amiss. I do believe that she has cried at the loss of her husband. Don't judge others by yourself.

It is possible to feel sorry for her, have some empathy and still feel sorry for people in much smaller homes that have suffered.

The people that deserve the scorn are the party lot at number 10. Making up the rules whilst completely disregarding them. Now those people fill me with disgust.

oh dear empathy obviously

Remember all those press conferences where he looked dreadful. Like he'd hardly slept? He hadn't and was hungover. Shameful

[quote ILoveAllRainbowsx]**@tigger1001

So what is stopping you?[/quote]
Becoming a politician?

I don't want to. But that's perfectly ok.

I get to judge the ones in power. I vote abs therefore I have a say.

Not everyone makes a good politician. As the lot currently in power prove. The desire to be a politician is usually pretty self serving.

@User1isnotavailable are you being deliberately obtuse? I didn’t say she is not crying at the loss of her husband.

She’s not going to be crying at the Downing Street parties, she’s made of stronger stuff and will have contempt for Bojo and his ilk.

She doesn’t need your empathy. Don’t judge the Queen by your own fake sentimentality.

@kittensinthekitchen

I suspect because they’d spent all day working with one another at close quarters

@TheSixthSickSheik

I do not, for a minute, believe that the 100+ recipients of that email invitation work in close contact with each other, much less so on a day to day basis.

Fair point and for the record, I do think all the attendees are a disgrace and Boris should resign.

I just think of her (HMQ) sat all alone during that church service for Phillip, and it was a poignant image.

I had attended funerals during covid and spouses of 60+ years were sat alone in similar fashions with no hand to hold or comfort nearby.

Meanwhile in Downing Street they were having a party....

I can't think of any other Prime Minister, of any party, in my lifetime, who would have allowed a party to go on in the same building that they were living in, under Covid restrictions that banned all other people from having parties, the evening before Prince Philip's funeral. Even a staunchly republican PM would have worked out that the optics were truly disgraceful. The buck stops with the PM, whether he attended or not, he clearly runs a shambolic government operation. I don't know why anyone's surprised, I knew when he was elected he'd be the worst PM of my lifetime, I can't understand why anyone ever thought he was PM material. He isn't leadership material full stop, and he's just a thoroughly unpleasant human. Even if Starmer has no personality, isn't a lack of personality a big win over a corrupt, lying, racist mysoginist? I don't need my Prime Minister to be fun at a party (even though I suspect he's actually a lecherous bore at a party), I need my Prime Minister to be a statesman (or woman, stateswoman?), or at the very least a grown-up. Instead we have someone who is at best an incompetent clown.

Yes, We need better options! How can we make better choices if there are no options?!

@tigger1001

No, it really isn't ok.

If you won't do it yourself, stop complaining about the people who are actually prepared to do it.

@Ionlydomassiveones, I absolutely share your concerns about the other parties' positions on women's rights, but for me, I cannot allow that one issue to dominate the agenda. I think the approach of the current government is actually hugely damaging to women's interests, along with everyone else's interests except for the PM and his cronies.

You are entitled to your views, but personally, I would never allow my feelings about a single issue like that lead me to vote for a government that I consider to be utterly corrupt and morally bankrupt, as I believe that that will be far more damaging for society in the long run. And yes, I believe that women will suffer more as a result of that than they would under Keir Starmer, even though he doesn't seem to know what a woman is.

Don't particularly give a flying fuck about the Queen's feelings.

But of course they had regular pissups. The poor loves didn't have the bars of the area around Whitehall to infest every night.

I blame the rest of the Conservative MP's for being too cowardly to give Boris the boot. He pathetically hides from questions and no-one pulls him up on it.

The image of the Queen on her own at her husband's funeral is going to be one of the defining images of the pandemic I think, even friends abroad (with no interest in our monarchy usually) mention that one. I'm not a Sun reader myself but I bet they used it, even knowing that their new Deputy Editor had been the reason for the latest party the night before.

But I do blame the Conservative MP's. It's up to them now to shift Johnson out and start again. They are too cowardly and selfish to do so though.

@StoneofDestiny

No idea what Johnson has to do to get the electorate to see he is unfit to rule. He is a prolific liar, a deceitful philanderer and a misogynistic racist. A total Peppa piggish embarrassment to the country.

He doesn’t have to do anything. Until there is a viable alternative then he is safe where he is.

It doesn’t appear as though the Labour leader is whiter than white when it comes to partying during lockdown

Labour is a divisive party. This would become like the US with the priorities all wrong and more hate and division.

@MovingHome22

Today there is allegedly a picture of Starmer having a drink with his staff inside around the same time ?

Is that not worse ? Technically outside is better than inside for spread of the virus

They are all as bad as each other

If there was an election tomorrow, do people really believe that Boris is the least worst option? Really? Folk would rather not vote, or vote in Boris again, because Starmer is the worse option? I just don't see how that's a rational conclusion. This argument that they're all the same, all politicians are bad, that there are no options, is a perennial argument, I have been having the same conversations with people since I came of voting age in the 90s. Yet people do still choose someone, they do consistently turn out to vote for whoever they think is the least worse option, not voting isn't going to stop rubbish politicians being elected. We don't need a unicorn perfect photogenic charismatic opposition leader to have a viable alternative to the likes of Boris Johnson. Boris Johnson possesses literally the worst character traits of any politician in my living memory. Please do enlighten me as to how Starmer is actually the worst worse option as opposed to the least worse option.

[quote ILoveAllRainbowsx]**@tigger1001

No, it really isn't ok.

If you won't do it yourself, stop complaining about the people who are actually prepared to do it.[/quote]
This really is very silly.
The MPs are paid out of public money - they work for us. Of course we're entitled to criticise them without leaping forth to stand for election.

[quote ILoveAllRainbowsx]**@tigger1001

No, it really isn't ok.

If you won't do it yourself, stop complaining about the people who are actually prepared to do it.[/quote]
Of course it is! Not only is ok, we are actively encouraged to do so each election!

We elect them. We can judge their performance. It's that simple.

It's such an odd view to have - "don't judge the lawmakers unless you go be one". Not everyone should be a politician. Look at the current government.

Not only that, not everyone can give up their job to try and get elected.

But we are still both allowed and encouraged to judge them.

Especially when they make laws then break them whilst others are complying. That's not just judging them it's criminal

I just don't get the comparisons @Unsure33. Is having a drink inside with a few staff comparable to multiple parties on multiple occasions, at least one involving over 100 people? A party going on til the early hours involving a suitcase full of alcohol and loud music type of party? And do you really believe that Boris Johnson hasn't had a few drinks inside with his staff on even a single occasion, given everything else that has come out?

@Orchid876

If there was an election tomorrow, do people really believe that Boris is the least worst option? Really? Folk would rather not vote, or vote in Boris again, because Starmer is the worse option? I just don't see how that's a rational conclusion. This argument that they're all the same, all politicians are bad, that there are no options, is a perennial argument, I have been having the same conversations with people since I came of voting age in the 90s. Yet people do still choose someone, they do consistently turn out to vote for whoever they think is the least worse option, not voting isn't going to stop rubbish politicians being elected. We don't need a unicorn perfect photogenic charismatic opposition leader to have a viable alternative to the likes of Boris Johnson. Boris Johnson possesses literally the worst character traits of any politician in my living memory. Please do enlighten me as to how Starmer is actually the worst worse option as opposed to the least worse option.

It is not a personality contest. I vote for the party who would look after the economy and it is not a free buffet for all. This country is in very good shape despite all the moaning. However, they could better overall. During the pandemic I have rather been here than in other countries. We had furlough, vaccines and a more measure approach. Even though people were supposed to died on the streets because of Brexit. We are still getting many people from European and other countries to move here. Most of the stuff are vastly exaggerated by the media and lefties. You can see the same bunch here on the case all the time.

@ILoveAllRainbowsx

So, all the people complaining about what a crap job politicians do, what is stopping you from becoming a politician?

It is very easy to moan but a lot harder actually do something about it.

If you trust yourself to run a bath, then become an MP.

By that theory, If I have a bad meal out I should become a restaurateur?, If my car breaks down a week after buying it I should become a car dealer?

Well I'll still be voting Tory - unless I just don't bother voting at all, but I hate not voting.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I vote for Labour.

The party doesn't bother me tbh - I'd have thrown a cheese and wine party if I thought anyone would've shown up.

Do you really think politicians from other parties and every Tom, dick and Harry weren't "breaking the rules?" - they've just managed to keep it under wraps (so far)

Boris and co were just unfortunate enough to get found out.