To think this is getting ridiculous…

[RenGreen]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59997364

I mean putting to one side she’s the Queen a woman who lost her husband after a 73 year marriage and unable to have her family by her side…a woman herself in her 90s whislt the civil servants whose advice she followed party!!!!

On top of that the other people of this nation who were protecting their loved ones - losing loved ones. Not holding celebrations. I do not believe anyone can defend this PM or his advisor/administration. We can and MUST do better.

I think everyone should have been able to exercise the same amount of personal choice and risk assessment as they exercised.

I don’t have a problem with wine-soaked parties, but do have a problem with how the public was treated and policed at the same time.

A man who is known to have lied and cheated repeatedly. Who doesn't know how many children he has and doesn't acknowledge some of the ones he knows about. And he lied and cheated. And continues to lie and cheat. Just don't vote for him next time.

I hate the moral compass of Tories. The whole "do you really think everyone else wasn't at it too" - actually, no, they weren't. Don't judge everyone else by your own low standards.

We also need much better choices to pick from at the Ballot Box. I can't think of any of the current members of parliament I'd trust to run a bath never mind a Country

Those of you who are unsatisfied with the present parties, Gina Miller has just started a new party called True and Fair (though it’s launch appeared to have been more of a whimper than a bang).

I hate the moral compass of Tories. The whole "do you really think everyone else wasn't at it too" - actually, no, they weren't.

Well, you don't know that. Don't judge everyone else by your moral compass I guess?

I think most people and most politicians were actually doing their best to stick to the rules. That is why we are seeing the heartbreaking stories from people who had to return from the funerals of loved ones alone. We may have slipped once or twice - I think I forgot to put a mask on a couple of times until I'd been in a shop a little while. That's not at all the same thing as flagrantly and repeatedly breaking the rules that you imposed on the rest of the public, with the extra bonus of Priti Patel encouraging people to snitch on their neighbours. It defies belief that anyone could bring themselves to vote this lot in again. People say a nation gets the politicians it deserves, but that's only true of some of us.

I had to laugh when an article was about Keir Starmer’s wife being his secret weapon

If you have to have to bring in your spouse to get the public to vote for you. I think you know you have failed.

I don't think the Tories can even remotely win the argument that they're looking after the economy. We haven't felt the true cost of some of their policy decisions yet but we will quite soon. Rocketing inflation, tax increases, super high energy bills, increasing problems with food security due to Brexit import restrictions. The next year is going to be incredibly difficult for very many of us, I highly doubt we'll be feeling very optimistic at all about our financial positions in 6 months time. That will ripple to the rest of the economy very quickly, it will likely be worse than 2008, growth in the UK is predicted to be lower than pretty much any comparable economy, largely due to government incompetence and self inflicted problems. And that's even before we get started on the utter corruption that has blighted this government since the start of the pandemic. Indeed it's not a free buffet for all. It's fully funded 3 Michelin star tasting menu with accompanying goody bag of luxury goods for a select few who are friends of our government. Literally billions of public funds handed to their friends for not much at all, or in the case of a few million £, for literally nothing. So you're happy with literally millions being handed to government minister's friends for PPE that doesn't exist for example, or to pay a minister mate's storage company millions (only just set up for that purpose of course) to store faulty unusable PPE provided the first minister's friend (all of which has been found to be illegal), but you're not happy with a bit of investment in public services. OK. Other countries had furlough and vaccines you know, without all the corruption and incompetence and death. It's an absolute fallacy that we're doing so much better than anywhere else. That's just more of Johnson's lies.

Well I think it was the Mail who tried to get us to hate Starmer for buying his disabled mother a field where the donkeys she bought from the sanctuary could live. I think it's the media scraping the barrel rather than Starmer.

@Bluebluemoon39

Well I'll still be voting Tory - unless I just don't bother voting at all, but I hate not voting.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I vote for Labour.

The party doesn't bother me tbh - I'd have thrown a cheese and wine party if I thought anyone would've shown up.

Do you really think politicians from other parties and every Tom, dick and Harry weren't "breaking the rules?" - they've just managed to keep it under wraps (so far)

Boris and co were just unfortunate enough to get found out.

No. There are 3 points here:

1. The people who set the law don't think it's necessary to follow it. Huge issue of their morals. Either the law is essential and you follow it, or it's not and no one needs to.

1. The scale of incompetence and stupidity of doing this in the middle of the Cummings debacle. Any fractionally competent boss would be zero tolerance off ANYTHING that might have looked bad after that. I would expect the PM to be super sensitive to 'the optics' of any situation and if he wasn't I think that is almost as bad as not realising he was at a party in lockdown ( though obviously not quite as bad)

1. He lied and lied and lied.

If we'd got through the pandemic with low casualties it might be less of an issue but let's not forget their mismanagement means they have blood on their hands. Now we can all see they just don't give a shit.

Aside from the House of Parliament, drinking in a government s against their law. I gave worked for the Welsh Government, and its banned in their building. The sane in local government.

Why hasn’t this been challenged?

Id be sacked.

Do you really think politicians from other parties and every Tom, dick and Harry weren't "breaking the rules?" - they've just managed to keep it under wraps (so far)

You're probably right; please don't imagine I'm defending him, but the media will obviously go after Boris first since he is, god help us, the PM

With politicians it always seems to me a bit risky to insist they have "integrity", since comments like that tend to have a very short shelf life

@Bluebluemoon39

I hate the moral compass of Tories. The whole "do you really think everyone else wasn't at it too" - actually, no, they weren't.

Well, you don't know that. Don't judge everyone else by your moral compass I guess?

Er, yes we do.

I know I wasn't.

I know my Mum was left alone in a care home going rapidly down hill.

I know my friend's teenage son died and she was alone in her grief and had no funeral

I know both my kids missed out on birthday parties or seeing their friends for months.

Because I'm, you know, law abiding and community minded.

@Andante57

We also need much better choices to pick from at the Ballot Box. I can't think of any of the current members of parliament I'd trust to run a bath never mind a Country

Those of you who are unsatisfied with the present parties, Gina Miller has just started a new party called True and Fair (though it’s launch appeared to have been more of a whimper than a bang).

That has to be the most hypocritical party of them all if she is calling it true & fair. We had a true and fair vote on Brexit. She then spent Years and cost the taxpayer Millions if not Billions to try and stop the will of the majority.

ThinkAboutItTomorrow

Good for you. You're talking about yourself and YOUR family though. You don't know what everyone else was doing - that would be impossible.
My last post was in response to your "no they weren't" comment. If you are just speaking for yourself - fine.

@DanielRicciardosSmile

At this point I'm wondering if they actually ever do any work, as there seem to have been staff parties held on a daily basis.

Quite. I’ve been wondering that too.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

Found this article from June ‘19 written by Boris old boss

Quite prophetic …

Gina Miller didn't try to stop Brexit. She insisted that the triggering of Article 50 was done properly and legally.

But the idea that the referendum was "true" and fair is utterly ludicrous. Surely the most ardent Brexiter, and those who still want Brexit, must by now recognise the juggernaut of lies that were told to get it through.

We had a true and fair vote on Brexit

No we didn't! So many lies were peddled by the Tories that people were never in charge of the true facts. Only now the chaos is emerging, labour and transport shortages for example, fishing controversies, and prices are climbing steeply on anything imported.

The same free and fair vote on Brexit that saw Vote Leave fined for breaking electoral commission rules. What definition of "fair" are you using, when even illegality is seen as "fair"?
www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media-statement-vote-leave

I think the majority of the public have had enough of Boris now, and his own party seem to feel much the same. He used to be amusing, but now the joke has worn thin. It seems that the only people who are standing by him are cabinet ministers, who have much to lose financially if a new leader is appointed and they lose their lucrative cabinet posts (which pay many thousands, on top of their MP salaries).

I would love to see Rory Stewart rejoin the party and be appointed leader. In many ways he is the polar opposite to Boris, in that he's not particularly confident in front of the camera, but he seems to weigh up things carefully and he has integrity. He left the tories when Boris was elected leader, stating that Boris was not his kind of man. If only he could be enticed back, he might be able to purge the morally corrupt attitude that seems to oervade the tories now.

I'm concerned that now he has (half-heartedly) apologised, that will sort of draw a line under it and people's anger will slowly fade and it will end up getting brushed under the carpet along with everything else. We need that investigation report to keep the momentum going.

I just emailed my MP to request that he writes to the 1922 Committee, to have Johnson removed. I've never contacted my MP before but felt it was time to do something more than posting on MN.

But I'm also worried that the report is going to be very favourable, such is the way these sorts of things have gone in the past!

Ridiculous the police are waiting on a non law enforcement person to investigate and tell them what to do! 😂😂

Who else would enjoy that preferential treatment?