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If there was an election tomorrow, who would you vote for?

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SecretKeeper1 · 12/01/2022 19:23

Obviously the Tories are a complete shitshow, but Labour aren’t a lot better and I couldn’t hand on heart vote for either in good conscience right now.

So… IF a snap election was called, like in December 2019, who would you vote for? Would it make a difference to you if Boris was replaced as Tory leader? Would you even bother voting or maybe go for a totally different national or local party?

Just curious!

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Terfydactyl · 13/01/2022 19:30

@Sabire9

Terf - my 22 year old daughter was herself was a victim of a serious sexual assault by an adult man when she was 14, and was victim of a violent assault by a different man (resulting in a criminal conviction) at 17. I asked her how she'd feel about showering next to a trans woman and she shrugged. She accepts people for who they are - most young people do.

My sons (16 & 18) are the same. My 18 year old has two friends who are non-binary. My son is happy to use their preferred pronouns and has asked me to do the same. I'm so proud of him - his maturity and his kindness and respect for others.

I think the issue here is that you're very obsessed with sex and gender and not very interested in people's humanity.

So even though your own daughter could well be and very easily assaulted again you are ok with that and other peoples daughters being assaulted or worse? Who of the two of us has more humanity I wonder.
HerLadySheep · 13/01/2022 19:36

Whoever is the best candidate to get or keep a Tory out of power in my area.

HariBB · 13/01/2022 19:41

I would be voting for a decent man to run the country - Starmer.

Elodie9 · 13/01/2022 19:43

I would reluctantly vote Labour. I do think KS is performing better of late.
I have voted Green for years and years but am very unimpressed by what I know of the Green party today and its new party leaders.
I am over 60 and have never , ever voted Labour in my life but It is the only way that we can stop this never ending run of attacks on the healthcare, education , housing, income etc of the people of the UK by the Tories.

MilduraS · 13/01/2022 19:43

Last time I voted I felt stuck and voted Lib Dem. I probably would again.

Our (mainly) rural area has been conservative for the past few elections and as individuals the two MPs we've had have been pretty good and active in the community. One was in place from 2001-2019 and the newer one was an MP in the constituency next door for several years. I think he was moved because the other constituency swings between labour and conservative. I met him several times as I worked in clinical negligence and he was very involved in trying to help families struggling to access help for mental health. I only ever met the families after things went horribly wrong and he stayed involved to support them. I felt guilty not voting for him but couldn't face voting for Borris.

cardibach · 13/01/2022 19:44

Bloody hell. It’s not about one issue. We are sleepwalking into totalitarianism. The only thing that should matter is getting g to redo out. Vote accordingly. I’m in a safe Labour seat so I don’t have a conflict.

cardibach · 13/01/2022 19:53

Getting the Tories out. That’s what it said when I posted it.

Shmithecat2 · 13/01/2022 20:03

@Sabire9

Terf - my 22 year old daughter was herself was a victim of a serious sexual assault by an adult man when she was 14, and was victim of a violent assault by a different man (resulting in a criminal conviction) at 17.

How would she feel if she were in a prison and had share that space with either of those men that assaulted her who decided to declare himself a woman?

Lostmyway86 · 13/01/2022 20:08

Conservatives very very reluctantly

Sabire9 · 13/01/2022 20:16

She should never have to share a space with anyone who has victimised her regardless of sex or gender.

Sabire9 · 13/01/2022 20:18

Can I just check - would it be acceptable from your POV for her to be made to share a space with someone who had victimised her - as long as the perpetrator was born a woman?

Shmithecat2 · 13/01/2022 20:18

@Sabire9

She should never have to share a space with anyone who has victimised her regardless of sex or gender.
But that's what TRAs, and the HOL apparently, are saying is OK.
Shmithecat2 · 13/01/2022 20:19

@Sabire9

Can I just check - would it be acceptable from your POV for her to be made to share a space with someone who had victimised her - as long as the perpetrator was born a woman?
No, it's never OK. But let's not pretend that women are a bigger threat than men. Because they're not.
WorriedMumsDontSleep · 13/01/2022 20:19

I'd be embarrassed if I'd gaslit a victim of sexual assault to centering a special caste of men.

But then I would expect someone who delivers maternity care to understand that many women, including some of different religions, need single sex to mean single sex.

Very progressive.

Terfydactyl · 13/01/2022 20:25

@Sabire9

Can I just check - would it be acceptable from your POV for her to be made to share a space with someone who had victimised her - as long as the perpetrator was born a woman?
But she wasnt victimised by a woman. She was victimised by two men who can now by the power of self id get into any space that was formerly women "cunty type" only. So it's not even in prison where she could be made to share the space. Toilets, hospital wards, any sport she may do, rape counselling, etc etc.
Shmithecat2 · 13/01/2022 20:32

@Terfydactyl

But she wasnt victimised by a woman.
She was victimised by two men who can now by the power of self id get into any space that was formerly women "cunty type" only.
So it's not even in prison where she could be made to share the space.
Toilets, hospital wards, any sport she may do, rape counselling, etc etc.

Maybe @Sabire9's daughter could just 'reframe her trauma' and 'be kind', surely?

FinallyHere · 13/01/2022 20:35

@Sabire9

Where do you think the very tiny number of incarcerated trans women should be held?

If the courts continue to register self identified gender rather than sex, how shall we know how many women are incarcerated with trans women?

llanssannan · 13/01/2022 21:04

@HerLadySheep like you to get rid of my Tory MP, who supported Mr Johnson to be Tory leader.

GuckGuckDoose · 13/01/2022 21:12

@BashStreetKid

People who would vote Tory because of Self ID are the absolute epitome of anti-feminism. If you seriously think the Conservative party supports women's rights, you are absolutely deluded. Voting them in again would effectively give them carte blanche to cut down or get rid of maternity leave and maternity rights, and when they revise the Equality Act as they want, such women's equality rights as might be left will be severely weakened.
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Mookie81 · 14/01/2022 00:16

@hopperrock

Tories have been in 11 or 12 years now, Labour had 13 years before that and danced us into a housing crash and economic recession.

You think the Labour Party caused the 2008 US sub prime scandal, subsequent financial crash and global recession?

Despite the whole garden party business in which the toxic vulture-like-media are jumping on currently

The Prime Minister breaking guidelines and lying repeatedly in the House of Commons is merely "garden party business" but the media reporting it is "toxic and vulture-like". And the people who are upset because they missed saying a final goodbye to a loved one while No10 were busy partying are the ones who have "fallen for it"?

And those voting Conservative because of self ID, please think hard about whether that issue really outweighs the suffering that this government has caused. They are not champions of women's rights, they are just reactionary. Is it so important that you'll vote for populism, demagoguery, corruption and lies? Losing the NHS and the right to protest?

It nowhere near outweighs it all, but it's a handy soundbite for people to spout; they haven't got the courage to say 'the tories will protect my financial situation and I don't care enough about the state of the wider society to want them out'. Hmm
TomPinch · 14/01/2022 00:21

Johnson is corrupt, he's a criminal, the Tory MPs knew this and they still supported him. They are to blame.

Rule 1 of casting your vote is: don't vote for the party that chooses a corrupt criminal as its leader regardless of your politics.

Nightlystroll · 14/01/2022 01:18

@hopperrock. I don't understand what Brown ignoring the obvious financial crisis coming our way has to do with Johnsons handling of covid. Or are you defending Brown by saying someone else is worse? 🤔 Not much of a dense but probably the best one you've got.

madisonbridges · 14/01/2022 01:26

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ilovesooty · 14/01/2022 01:30

@Coronado2

I think all those saying none or split ballot should consider that they would likely be helping the conservatives secure a win.
Absolutely.
Blossomtoes · 14/01/2022 01:31

I spoilt my paper in the last GE. Next time I’d vote for the devil to get the Tories out. I’ll vote for whoever stands the best chance of defeating my Tory MP. I honestly don’t care which party they represent.