If there was an election tomorrow, who would you vote for?

[SecretKeeper1]

Obviously the Tories are a complete shitshow, but Labour aren’t a lot better and I couldn’t hand on heart vote for either in good conscience right now.

So… IF a snap election was called, like in December 2019, who would you vote for? Would it make a difference to you if Boris was replaced as Tory leader? Would you even bother voting or maybe go for a totally different national or local party?

Just curious!

Given we don’t live in a presidential system your vote is for your parliamentary representative.

The trouble with our system is that in reality we are simultaneously voting for a person to represent our constituency, a party whose values and manifesto will determine policy and a PM who will represent us around the world.

I would rather have a poor MP than a Tory government. Maybe it leaves me worse off in some ways but the gain for me and for society as a whole more than outweighs that.

@thisplaceisweird

Been voting Green for years. No point being tactical any more just got to go with your heart. Environment + strong support of women made me choose it.

Misinformation. Greens are categorically not for women. They don't want women to have sex based rights and support self Id. To those saying it is a single issue, well yes but it is a single issue that will effect pretty much every other facet of your life.

Got daughters? Comfortable with them being forced to undress in front of males?
Happy with their rights to fair competition being disregarded in sports?
Need healthcare? Comfortable with not being able to request intimate care from same sex provider?
Need end of life care. Happy not being able to stipulate a woman does it for your dignity?
Victim of rape? Happy that there is no single sex provision to help you recover?
Incarcerated? Happy to be locked up with male sex offenders?
Tolerant of religious freedom? Happy for religious women being excluded from public life because the facilities they need are mixed sex? Happy for hate crimes to be recorded against those who protest?

Single issue my arse.

What’s he done wrong?

KS completely failed to be a convincing LOTO at a time when we have a real-life meme for a PM.

KS is wet. Dismantling Boris and JRM should have been child's play.

Now the UK is a laughing stock. Thanks Keir.

Our local Green party aren't electable as they stand on a platform of completely banning all private cars from our town centre and surrounding radius. If they were actually sensible and said they wanted to reduce private car usage, they'd probably be quite popular, but wanting a blanket ban just alienates most of the electorate as it's completely bonkers. Our hospital is in the town centre area, so they're basically banning people from driving themselves to hospital for appointments, tests, visiting, even cancer treatments, etc! - with a bland/banal answer of making public transport better. Like someone having chemo is going to take the bus!!

What’s he done wrong?

KS was a very weak and wishy-washy director of public prosecutions and was heavily criticised at the time. Didn't stop him getting a knighthead when he "retired".

Now he's a weak and wishy-washy leader of the opposition.

See a pattern?

BasketBlocks - the 'I'm normally Labour but couldn't vote for Starmer' people who would genuinely rather have another 5 years of our current Conservative government than a Labour administration, and would contribute to that happening by not voting, I can only imagine they feel they have nothing to fear from it. Maybe they're financially secure. Not really reliant on public services.

My children are vulnerable. I'm terrified about what will happen to public services under this government - how much more damage they're willing to inflict on the most disadvantaged and vulnerable people in the UK.

KS was a very weak and wishy-washy director of public prosecutions and was heavily criticised at the time. Didn't stop him getting a knighthead when he "retired".

Where's your evidence of this please? I worked under him as dpp so grateful if you'd say more about this statement.

I can only imagine they feel they have nothing to fear from it. Maybe they're financially secure. Not really reliant on public services.

And don't give a shit about those who are worse off than themselves.

@user1497207191

What’s he done wrong?

KS was a very weak and wishy-washy director of public prosecutions and was heavily criticised at the time. Didn't stop him getting a knighthead when he "retired".

Now he's a weak and wishy-washy leader of the opposition.

See a pattern?

This is a load of shit.

If Starmer was attacking Boris more people would be moaning about him "playing politics".

Now he's a weak and wishy-washy leader of the opposition.

Did you see PMQs yesterday? Didn't strike me as weak or wishy-washy. He seemed furious, completely on top of his facts, and absolutely demolished BJ.

@Sabire9

BasketBlocks - the 'I'm normally Labour but couldn't vote for Starmer' people who would genuinely rather have another 5 years of our current Conservative government than a Labour administration, and would contribute to that happening by not voting, I can only imagine they feel they have nothing to fear from it. Maybe they're financially secure. Not really reliant on public services.

My children are vulnerable. I'm terrified about what will happen to public services under this government - how much more damage they're willing to inflict on the most disadvantaged and vulnerable people in the UK.

Totally agree - people are luxuriating in largely unjustified moaning about Labour while the country is being wrecked by disaster capitalist Tories.

@hopperrock

Now he's a weak and wishy-washy leader of the opposition.

Did you see PMQs yesterday? Didn't strike me as weak or wishy-washy. He seemed furious, completely on top of his facts, and absolutely demolished BJ.

Exactly this - he demolished Boris's pathetic little speech in 2 questions.

I don't mind KS and think he challenges BJ well. It is his pandering to the identity crowd that stops me voting for them and the bullying of women he has let happen
I feel totally betrayed by the Labour Party as a working class woman. They are disgraceful

@AssignedBlobbyAtBirth

I don't mind KS and think he challenges BJ well. It is his pandering to the identity crowd that stops me voting for them and the bullying of women he has let happen I feel totally betrayed by the Labour Party as a working class woman. They are disgraceful

Can you say how the Labour party's support for the tiny number of trans individuals there are in the U.K. has impacted on your actual well-being or the well-being of any women you know?

And do you personally know any trans women or men?

Asking because my young adult/teenage kids have a few friends who are trans or gender fluid. Struggling to make sense how these young people being accepted for who they feel they are is damaging to me as a woman - damaging or undermining in a concrete sense.

I'm a floating voter but I hope Johnson doesn't resign but if he does I've had a think and I'd vote Conservative. No one else to vote for.

Tory. There’s no other choice for me due to Self ID.

Women are a distinct sex group and unless that is accepted there is no way of ensuring women's needs and rights are met
Transwomen are males who have different needs. The same goes for men and transmen.
Accept difference and accept women are entitled to representation. If this reality had been accepted from the start we wouldn't be in the ridiculous position of having to pretend males can be females

And I would love to see the LP and society in general put so much effort into support for disabled people, poor people, children who are in, or have been in, the care system

"Transwomen are males who have different needs."

Can you say more please?

I was born a woman. My needs are:

• access to appropriate medical care
• secure housing
• safety from assault
• a secure income
• education.

What different needs does a trans woman have because she wasn't born a woman?

Anything but not Tory.

I hate voted for all 3 major parties at one point. I can't get behind the Tories now after Brexit, austerity, rising poverty and the rampant corruption. Ever again. The last 10 years have been awful for the country and we have gone backwards.

I would love a coalition most of all. I'm aware of the drawbacks of this, but I think we need it to progress and I do think Keir Starmer is getting better. Haven't heard enough about Lib Dems of late, which is a shame as I don't know what they stand for.

Self-ID is an issue for me too, but If it is between self-ID being an issue, or corruption, incompetence, increasing poverty, lack of progression, increasing inequality and blatant lying, I think I would be happy to accept the self-ID problem over those issues. We can do something about that, but if there is a shitty attitude to the general public and our leading politicians are only in it for what they can get out of the system and think their voters are all idiots, I can't foresee any positive change in the future.

@Sabire9

Can anyone who wouldn't vote Labour (assume would be ok with another 5 years of Conservatives) say which current Labour policy is unacceptable to them. Unacceptable enough to continue with our current kakistocracy.

Self Id. Every single time. If you cannot tell who a woman even is, then how can you campaign for better treatment of women. How can you quantify the pay gap. Define rape. Especially now as several "women" have committed rape. Prepare for maternity services. Stats on women only cancers will be very skewed. Stats on maternity issues will also be very skewed. A thousand and one things that have only and will only ever effect women, the cunty type, will now be shared with "women"

I say fuck that.

The polls are showing Labour is way in the lead.

And anyone who calls themselves a feminist but votes Conservative because of self ID, has a very poor understanding of feminism. The rising poverty alone will see more children and mothers in emergency accommodation and more women involved in the sex industry.

"If this reality had been accepted from the start we wouldn't be in the ridiculous position of having to pretend males can be females"

My friend gave birth to a daughter who recently had gender reassignment surgery and now presents as a man. Their name is a male name. They are identified as 'male' on their birth certificate. They are in a stable, happy long term relationship with a person who was born a woman who identifies as a female heterosexual.

I'm wondering what changes you would like to see in the way this trans man is treated by the law, by services and by friends, family, colleagues? And how would these changes benefit you, me and other women. In a concrete sense? I'm not aware how accepting this person as they wish to be accepted takes anything from me so I'm struggling with your stance.

"A thousand and one things that have only and will only ever effect women, the cunty type, will now be shared with "women"

Can you give me an example of things you don't think we should share with trans women?

I would vote LibDem, but that is purely because in our constituency they have the best chance of unseating the Conservative MP. Anywhere else I would vote Labour.