AIBU to think that Boris should resign now?

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Today it has been revealed that in May 2020 invitations were emailed to (allegedly) 100 Downing Street staff, for a garden party. This party happened during the first lockdown, when many people could not visit their elderly relatives, even on their death beds, due to the lockdown rules. The email was sent by one of the PM's top people, and stated that people should "bring their own booze and enjoy the sunshine". Today Boris has been conspicuous by his absence.

I think this is the final straw and shows a lack of judgement and absence of moral fibre. Enough is enough - he should resign and if he doesn't do it then his own party should force him to go.

AIBU?

Yep, Patel , snitch on your neighbours
She just didn't mean the crowd at number 10 obviously
One man in the daily Mail was fined and he wants his money back !
Don't blame him

I agree that Dominic Cummings has not finished, but what he has done is released these leaks so slowly that people have become immune to them. Look how many even on this thread who just don't care. We are just used to being lied on and laughed at by the PM. 10 years ago it would have been unthinkable that the PM wouldn't immediately resign in this position. But BJ is like a turd that won't flush.

Lied to not lied on. I do not want BJ to lie on me that would be a step too far

@Toblerone20

It’s utterly tragic that people died alone but do you not understand why that was, why the NHS needed to be protected?

Hard decisions had to be made and if they weren’t I think many more people would have died.

None of this is about individual cases however tragic and sad they are, it’s about protecting the entire population and the country as a whole.

It’s obviously such an emotive issue that people can’t see reason.

But that’s not the issue.

The issue is, he lied. We have evidence he lied. We have evidence of his immortality. Don’t you think we deserve better than that?

For the love of GOD. PLEASE STOP VOTING THEM IN!!!

Johnson was sacked from his newspaper job for... what was it?? Ahh yes LYING! He's really a despicable person. I don't know how anyone could ever have voted for him. Or for any of them come to that. Just stop it now!!!!

yes he really really should do , but like matt hancock that didnt really want to have to go until he was practically forced by back bench pressure , johmson will cling on like a bloated leech

"I also think it’s quite distasteful to bring up all the stories about people who have died while MPs were partying."

What a disgusting thing to say!
Personally, I find it reprehensible that MPs were partying while people died. Very telling that you think we shouldn't talk about it!

I recognise a number of posters on this thread who seem to be rather hypocritical

Should any of the people you have mentioned become PM of the U.K. during a pandemic and act in a similar way, they should also resign.

In the meantime your main defence of Johnson seems to be that he is really, really stupid. Which would also be a reason why he shouldn’t be PM.

@HoliHormonalTigerlilly

For the love of GOD. PLEASE STOP VOTING THEM IN!!!

Johnson was sacked from his newspaper job for... what was it?? Ahh yes LYING! He's really a despicable person. I don't know how anyone could ever have voted for him. Or for any of them come to that. Just stop it now!!!!

i wont i promise !, no worries there at all , but we know why he was voted in , all the leavers did , so he could get them their precious brexit done , anything else he could or couldnt do was immaterial to them

Immorality. He’s not immortal.

I also think it’s quite distasteful to bring up all the stories about people who have died while MPs were partying.

Thoughtless of them, to die and spoil the Prime Minister's parties, isn't it?

I found your post quite offensive. There have been six funerals that I haven't been able to go to over the past two years. Some of these were very old people for whom death was almost certainly a release. Others died prematurely of cancer and we weren't allowed to go and pay our respects and I am not one of the immediately bereaved. How much worse if you couldn't say goodbye to a mother, father, brother, aunt etc. but Johnson and chums had to hold a party. He will still be partying next week, next month, next year and the years after, but those people only died once. That people couldn't be given a proper funeral is something which will cause a remaining sadness for many of us.

twitter.com/mrnickharvey/status/1481240083420299267?s=10

Pumperthepumper but apparently for many people that is the issue….it’s like everyone has lost sight of why these restrictions were introduced in the first place.

I’m pretty sure we already had evidence of his immortality long before he was voted in. I fully expect most humans are capable of immortality maybe not as much as Boris but it’s a human trait.

The ironic thing is that everyone is getting distracted by this and overlooking the fact there’s clearly some very immoral people behind these leaks who are trying to drive the sheep in a particular direction.

@Toblerone20

It’s utterly tragic that people died alone but do you not understand why that was, why the NHS needed to be protected?

Hard decisions had to be made and if they weren’t I think many more people would have died.

None of this is about individual cases however tragic and sad they are, it’s about protecting the entire population and the country as a whole.

It’s obviously such an emotive issue that people can’t see reason.

I can see reason just fine, thanks. You can put the old "hysteria" trope away, it makes for a very poor argument.

If they had been interested in protecting the population they would have led by example, and brought people along with them. They are subject to the same legislation as the rest of us.

And these aren't individual cases - this was happening to all deaths and all funerals and all care homes at a population level, and therefore is still entirely relevant following your logic too.

They inflicted large-scale trauma at a population level. The consequences of that will be with us for years. It will fall on the NHS as well as wider society.

It is the height of corruption to suggest that members of government should be immune from the laws they set. I am not sure why any reasonable person would defend such a position.

@Toblerone20

Pumperthepumper but apparently for many people that is the issue….it’s like everyone has lost sight of why these restrictions were introduced in the first place.

I’m pretty sure we already had evidence of his immortality long before he was voted in. I fully expect most humans are capable of immortality maybe not as much as Boris but it’s a human trait.

The ironic thing is that everyone is getting distracted by this and overlooking the fact there’s clearly some very immoral people behind these leaks who are trying to drive the sheep in a particular direction.

None of that matters though. People are allowed to be angry, they’re allowed to be upset that they followed the rules he set out, and he didn’t. And I’d say most people couldn’t care less who’s behind the leaks, I’m not sure why they’re immoral?

The main point is, is this what you want from the person with the most power in the UK?

@Toblerone20

It’s utterly tragic that people died alone but do you not understand why that was, why the NHS needed to be protected?

Hard decisions had to be made and if they weren’t I think many more people would have died.

None of this is about individual cases however tragic and sad they are, it’s about protecting the entire population and the country as a whole.

It’s obviously such an emotive issue that people can’t see reason.

It's about the lawmakers following the laws they make.

You don't get to create a law that says "no murdering" and then go and murder someone without coming across as a hypocritical, immoral bellend. This is no different.

Immoral to leak the information.

Not immoral to break the law and lie about it to Parliament and the public.

I understand now.

[quote Clavinova]BashStreetKid
Says it all

Yes - that's a very sad story...

That evening, as I walked alone, the streets were piercingly quiet. How sad it all is, I thought...

Quite different here - Daily Mail 20 May 2020;

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8339235/Britain-hits-beach-bask-82F-sunshine-today-hottest-day-year-far.html[/quote]
So what? Yet again, you rely on the incredibly poor "Look over there" argument which simply betrays the weakness of your position.

@Toblerone20

Pumperthepumper but apparently for many people that is the issue….it’s like everyone has lost sight of why these restrictions were introduced in the first place.

I’m pretty sure we already had evidence of his immortality long before he was voted in. I fully expect most humans are capable of immortality maybe not as much as Boris but it’s a human trait.

The ironic thing is that everyone is getting distracted by this and overlooking the fact there’s clearly some very immoral people behind these leaks who are trying to drive the sheep in a particular direction.

Ah, the "shoot the messenger" approach.

Is it immoral to leak something that is true? Answer: no.

merrymouse
I recognise a number of posters on this thread who seem to be rather hypocritical

Yes - you included. Eaten up with rage at Boris Johnson because you lost the referendum vote.

@Toblerone20

It’s utterly tragic that people died alone but do you not understand why that was, why the NHS needed to be protected?

Hard decisions had to be made and if they weren’t I think many more people would have died.

None of this is about individual cases however tragic and sad they are, it’s about protecting the entire population and the country as a whole.

It’s obviously such an emotive issue that people can’t see reason.

Yes I agree with you that the NHS needed protection and hard decisions around social distancing had to be made - and they were

Except BoJo et al didn’t comply with the hard decisions taken to protect the NHS

It’s not ideal, but there’s no alternative right now until someone from the opposition actually steps up and proves themselves capable. I don’t see that happening any time soon! So I’d imagine after the initial shock has died down people will continue to support Boris / Tories.

I'm pissed off about the parties and I'm someone who was unable to mourn a loved one. But to be honest I'm tired of this. My business was decimated and at the moment I see some chinks of light at the end of a long dark tunnel. I just want to get back to normal and rebuild our country and economy. I'm exhausted by it all.

@Toblerone20

Pumperthepumper but apparently for many people that is the issue….it’s like everyone has lost sight of why these restrictions were introduced in the first place.

I’m pretty sure we already had evidence of his immortality long before he was voted in. I fully expect most humans are capable of immortality maybe not as much as Boris but it’s a human trait.

The ironic thing is that everyone is getting distracted by this and overlooking the fact there’s clearly some very immoral people behind these leaks who are trying to drive the sheep in a particular direction.

Ah, thank you for making your agenda so clear.

Although I do love the contention that the PM's immorality is trifling, but exposing the PM's immorality is the immoral behaviour that should concern us. Most excellent doublethink.

@Toblerone20

It’s not ideal, but there’s no alternative right now until someone from the opposition actually steps up and proves themselves capable. I don’t see that happening any time soon! So I’d imagine after the initial shock has died down people will continue to support Boris / Tories.

There are plenty of people willing to take on Boris Johnson’s job in his party. The idea that he can’t step down because of Labour is nonsensical.