AIBU to think that Boris should resign now?

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Today it has been revealed that in May 2020 invitations were emailed to (allegedly) 100 Downing Street staff, for a garden party. This party happened during the first lockdown, when many people could not visit their elderly relatives, even on their death beds, due to the lockdown rules. The email was sent by one of the PM's top people, and stated that people should "bring their own booze and enjoy the sunshine". Today Boris has been conspicuous by his absence.

I think this is the final straw and shows a lack of judgement and absence of moral fibre. Enough is enough - he should resign and if he doesn't do it then his own party should force him to go.

AIBU?

Rishi was unable to make the commons today he was in Devon. ROFLMAO . He's been invisible for ages now.

@Toblerone20

Having watched todays pm questions I think Boris should stay, as do most people I’ve spoken with in person today at work etc.

We have more important things to worry about as a country than whether people broke lockdown. Plus an element of this behaviour from politicians doesn’t surprise me.

I also think it’s quite distasteful to bring up all the stories about people who have died while MPs were partying. The restrictions were in place to keep people safe and for our benefit however hand on heart how many people can say they stuck to them 100 percent? Not everyone on here I bet.

The opposition would be best focussing on how to actually offer a credible alternative for voters rather than playing the sympathy card and how outrageous Boris is. We all know that….what we haven’t a clue about is what else they have to offer other than criticism.

The government aren’t to blame for the pandemic and I believe they have done the best they can and I’m sure they’ve all worked extremely hard. I don’t believe labour would have done any better.

I’m not some sort of die hard Tory or Boris fan, I just don’t see the sense in wasting so much time raking this stuff up now it’s just a massive distraction from many more pressing concerns and the reason behind it gaining so much traction is the cynical agenda behind those responsible for the leaks. Nothing to do with morality and all to do with power struggles.

Is that you Carrie ?

@Toblerone20

Having watched todays pm questions I think Boris should stay, as do most people I’ve spoken with in person today at work etc.

We have more important things to worry about as a country than whether people broke lockdown. Plus an element of this behaviour from politicians doesn’t surprise me.

I also think it’s quite distasteful to bring up all the stories about people who have died while MPs were partying. The restrictions were in place to keep people safe and for our benefit however hand on heart how many people can say they stuck to them 100 percent? Not everyone on here I bet.

The opposition would be best focussing on how to actually offer a credible alternative for voters rather than playing the sympathy card and how outrageous Boris is. We all know that….what we haven’t a clue about is what else they have to offer other than criticism.

The government aren’t to blame for the pandemic and I believe they have done the best they can and I’m sure they’ve all worked extremely hard. I don’t believe labour would have done any better.

I’m not some sort of die hard Tory or Boris fan, I just don’t see the sense in wasting so much time raking this stuff up now it’s just a massive distraction from many more pressing concerns and the reason behind it gaining so much traction is the cynical agenda behind those responsible for the leaks. Nothing to do with morality and all to do with power struggles.

Are you actually serious?? If people didn't have to stick to the rules 100%, and could break them, let's say, 5%, then don't you think people would of used their 5% to be with their loved ones on the deathbeds. No, because they weren't ALLOWED. FFS get it in your head.

@Toblerone20 agree he should stay. He's a liability. The tories need to own the mess they have created. The effects of brexit are slowly emerging, ordinary w/c and m/c people are going to see their living standards tumble over the next few years, resigning enables him to avoid accountability for the absolute chaos they have created.

You can not create legislation, enforce it against the public but then reserve the right to flout it - and repeatedly lie to Parliament and the public about it.

The Prime Minister lied about there ever being parties at Number 10, lied that the parties followed guidelines and then lied about attending them.

And who could forget all the conga lines in May 2020 for VE Day?

All the conga lines? That didn’t happen by me and no one else I know anywhere else in the country reported conga lines either. Now I don’t doubt that they happened but I do doubt the majority of the country were living it up on VE flouting all the restrictions at the time.

You’re rewriting history with a flair for spin that makes me think one of the red tops might approach you for a work opportunity.

hand on heart how many people can say they stuck to them 100 percent?

We are talking about the people responsible for imposing these rules and the terrible harms they caused.

What is distasteful is not people talking about their bereavements, it is that our PM forced people to die alone while he continued attending parties - without any regard for the rules he imposed upon the rest of the population.

The man didn't even have the decency to apologise. His statement was a series of self-serving excuses and he dismissed challenges as "partisan" and "playing politics" - all of this is a game to him.

He has no respect for the British people.

Having watched todays pm questions I think Boris should stay, as do most people I’ve spoken with in person today at work etc

Do you work at Tory HQ?

Everyone I know thinks he should have already resigned over this.

Is anyone wondering how it could be that people in No.10, who were privvy to all kinds of data, statistics, science etc. that we are not - is anyone wondering why these people thought it SAFE to hold a large party for 100 people??

Because that is the real question. Not whether they lied, or broke the rules.. It's that they knew those rules were bullshit and they felt no compulsion to obey them.

It has quite a lot to do with morality, doesn’t it? We’ve got a prime minister who openly and unashamedly lies. Lies all the time. Lies to everyone, creeps and covers up and deflects. Don’t you think we deserve better than that?

Waiting for ‘all politicians lie’

@Clavinova

We are constantly picking empty fights with Europe for no good reason

That reminds me - a number of posters on this thread were defending Ursula von der Leyen last year - not only did she hold some unnecessary in-person meetings which sparked several outbreaks of Covid amongst EU Commissioners and staff, but she also drove 5/6 hours to Germany when everyone thought she was self-isolating in her flat in Belgium. That was all hushed-up.

Yes...and?

Cummings drove to Barnard Castle (and finally went)
Scottish MP Margaret Ferrier went on a train whilst positive for Covid (Nicola Sturgeon called on her to resign, suspended her in October 2020 and she was arrested on 4th January 2021 and stands trial this year)
Catherine Calderwood, Scotland's chief medical officer, resigned or was sacked (can't remember which) for travelling to her holiday home during lockdown
Kay Burley was suspended for six months for having a meal with more friends than was allowed.

However, none of those people were Prime Minister of this country, lied about what he knew until he was backed into a corner, nor broke his own rules.

Oh and before you bring it up. Yes, Nicola Sturgeon did remove a mask whilst indoors at a funeral a while ago and apologised a week later. Quote: 'Ms Sturgeon said: "I want to be clear that regardless of the circumstances, I was in the wrong. There are no excuses.

"These rules do apply to me, just as they do to everyone else, and the rules really matter.

"I am kicking myself very hard - possibly harder than my worst critic ever could - but more importantly I'll be making sure I don't drop my guard again." She managed that a little quicker than 18 months and didn't deny, deny, deny before apologising but there you go.

Can you find any more? I'm enjoying this game. Because it is a game. Find some people who either don't live in this country, don't make the rules, are complete idiots or who have paid the price and compare them to Boris. Who is actually the person this thread is about.

@Galdos

And if he resigns or the Tory party boot him out, who will become PM? Absent a general election none of us will have a say in who replaces him. He’s behaving exactly as he always has, and at least that’s a known quantity, even if some of us seem surprised.

Hardly a valid reason for keeping a lying, incompetent, corrupt PM, is it?

You can not create legislation, enforce it against the public but then reserve the right to flout it - and repeatedly lie to Parliament and the public about it.

Exactly.

This man is responsible for people being forced to die alone. For people being forced to receive terminal diagnoses alone. For people being denied their only chance to say goodbye to loved ones.

He set the rules that put people in those positions. And meanwhile he was attending parties.

That matters.

Boris Johnson isn't sorry about Covid lockdown breach. He's sorry he got caught – Ian Murray MP

Exactly this

Priti Patel (person in charge of law and order) actually said she'd call the police on neighbours found to be having a party. Now it turns out Boris did actually have one, she's decided what we need to do is put it to one side and get behind him again....

... what it must be like to be a Tory eh? Sheesh!

LondonJax
Yes...and?

I've made my point already - I recognise a number of posters on this thread who seem to be rather hypocritical. I didn't bring up 'Europe'.

@Roussette

Angela Rayner lets herself down and Starmer is weak

Good job this thread isn't about them then, isn't it?

It's a discussion on an internet forum. Discussions on internet forums tend to be discussions. Are you the internet discussion police?

@Toblerone20

Having watched todays pm questions I think Boris should stay, as do most people I’ve spoken with in person today at work etc.

We have more important things to worry about as a country than whether people broke lockdown. Plus an element of this behaviour from politicians doesn’t surprise me.

I also think it’s quite distasteful to bring up all the stories about people who have died while MPs were partying. The restrictions were in place to keep people safe and for our benefit however hand on heart how many people can say they stuck to them 100 percent? Not everyone on here I bet.

The opposition would be best focussing on how to actually offer a credible alternative for voters rather than playing the sympathy card and how outrageous Boris is. We all know that….what we haven’t a clue about is what else they have to offer other than criticism.

The government aren’t to blame for the pandemic and I believe they have done the best they can and I’m sure they’ve all worked extremely hard. I don’t believe labour would have done any better.

I’m not some sort of die hard Tory or Boris fan, I just don’t see the sense in wasting so much time raking this stuff up now it’s just a massive distraction from many more pressing concerns and the reason behind it gaining so much traction is the cynical agenda behind those responsible for the leaks. Nothing to do with morality and all to do with power struggles.

Idiots that we are @Toblerone20, my family and I did obey the rules in April 2020. When we held the funeral for my mum. Who didn't die of Covid but got caught up in the 'rules' that apparently I could have ignored.

We had just six people to her funeral. We had to sit in our 'family bubble' type groups which meant I sat alone. My DH had to stay with our DS as there was no-one to look after him (we weren't 'allowed' to mix - maybe I should have broken that rule?)

We couldn't hug each other, had to leave 2 metres between our groups and had to leave separately.

Mum had no wake, nothing was open. She had silk flowers from EBay as florists weren't open and my friend, who was a florist, couldn't get flowers anywhere.

But, hey, there you go. We should have broken the rules. Our fault. What idiots eh?

@Hotchox

Priti Patel (person in charge of law and order) actually said she'd call the police on neighbours found to be having a party. Now it turns out Boris did actually have one, she's decided what we need to do is put it to one side and get behind him again....

... what it must be like to be a Tory eh? Sheesh!

Hypocritical f**kers.

The majority of people don't have half an acre of garden to hold any parties during lockdown or any other time.
Lots of people were holed up indoors or trying to wfh or home school their children and waving at relatives through windows or not even seeing them if they were in care homes or in hospital.
Everything else was shut and a trip to a supermarket was an ordeal of queues and arrows and pointless rules. I had one shop worker shout at me with a loud hailer for not queuing outside in the right place!
It was a tough time for many months of boredom and worry and how some managed I've no idea. I have a tiny garden to sit in , but many don't even have that.
Meanwhile, at the number 10 /11 back gardens they had a lovely party 🎉 in a lovely setting breaking all the rules they made up !
I Feel a bit mugged off to be honest.

@doublemonkey

Is anyone wondering how it could be that people in No.10, who were privvy to all kinds of data, statistics, science etc. that we are not - is anyone wondering why these people thought it SAFE to hold a large party for 100 people??

Because that is the real question. Not whether they lied, or broke the rules.. It's that they knew those rules were bullshit and they felt no compulsion to obey them.

This is an interesting point.

There is a piece on BBC Sounds about the use of unregulated "behavioural science" by our government during the pandemic, and the way they deliberately set out to terrify the populace in order to elicit compliance.

The level of fear being created did not and does not correspond to the threat posed to people.

It’s utterly tragic that people died alone but do you not understand why that was, why the NHS needed to be protected?

Hard decisions had to be made and if they weren’t I think many more people would have died.

None of this is about individual cases however tragic and sad they are, it’s about protecting the entire population and the country as a whole.

It’s obviously such an emotive issue that people can’t see reason.

Mugged off Nation.

'Ms Sturgeon