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AIBU to think that Boris should resign now?

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Seemslikeagoodidea · 11/01/2022 17:45

Today it has been revealed that in May 2020 invitations were emailed to (allegedly) 100 Downing Street staff, for a garden party. This party happened during the first lockdown, when many people could not visit their elderly relatives, even on their death beds, due to the lockdown rules. The email was sent by one of the PM's top people, and stated that people should "bring their own booze and enjoy the sunshine". Today Boris has been conspicuous by his absence.

I think this is the final straw and shows a lack of judgement and absence of moral fibre. Enough is enough - he should resign and if he doesn't do it then his own party should force him to go.

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SueSaid · 12/01/2022 13:03

'Those on the beaches aren't running the country.'

Yes I said that I was merely pointing out the rammed beaches that weekend are testament to the fact people weren't locked up in solitary confinement.

Again I agree it was an error or judgement but he went into the garden for 25mins with work colleagues. I'm a bit meh about it.

Roussette · 12/01/2022 13:03

The biggest worry for me is this: they acted like this assuming they would not 'get caught'. What that tells me is this: there is a fuck load of stuff that they do not get caught for and that we don't know about

^^ This

Why is why those civil servants and others were told to scrub and delete on their phones so that nothing else could be found. We don't know half of it.

Downing Street staff were advised to “clean up” their phones by removing information that could suggest lockdown parties were held at No 10, The Independent has been told.

Two sources claim a senior member of staff told them it would be a “good idea” to remove any messages implying they had attended or were even aware of anything that could “look like a party”

SonicBroom · 12/01/2022 13:03

Even with all this ammunition Starmer came across as weak, nasal, whiny. He doesn't have any presence at all

Sadly I agree.

Also agree @Puzzledandpissedoff - what’s even the point of having the inquiry?

Christmaswindows · 12/01/2022 13:03

Yes along with every single other member of staff who attended. With ZERO exceptions.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 12/01/2022 13:04

@SonicBroom

Anyone else now totally sceptical that this inquiry is going to be anything other than a warped attempt to get the PM off the hook?

He seemed very confident he knew why it was going to say. It’s going to brush everything under the carpet and gaslight us all isn’t it?

indeed

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580

The most powerful person you've never heard of

Sue Gray works in the Cabinet Office, where she has the asking-for-trouble job title of "Director-General, Propriety and Ethics Team". Her job is to adjudicate on whether rules have been broken by officials, ministers and special advisers. In practice, she is also a fixer for Sir Jeremy Heywood, head of the civil service. She performed much the same role for Lord O'Donnell, his predecessor.

....

Ms Gray is notorious (like Sir Jeremy) for her determination not to leave a document trail.

When Labour wants to propose someone for a peerage, they ring her on the phone. She then gives them an oral "yes" or "no" as to whether they are likely to get through vetting. The party accepts her verdicts, but there are no records and she never explains herself. There is simply no check on what basis she performs the first sift on House of Lords membership.

I have written before about my attempts to get advice to special advisers about what work they may do for parties while they are public employees. There are, after all, strict rules designed to reassure the public that special advisers work for the taxpayer, not their parties. But some special advisers have broken these rules by campaigning and canvassing - seemingly with official consent.

So Stephen Parkinson, a special adviser at the Home Office, wrote to her for confirmation of the rules. This put Ms Gray in a bind: replying would reveal that either she had wrongly failed to enforce the code against other advisers or she had - in secret - abolished the code. Neither would be helpful to ministers. So she did not answer. On seven occasions.

As a consequence, Mr Parkinson (and Nick Timothy, then his colleague) refused to campaign and they stuck by the rules. They are now barred from being Tory parliamentary candidates for having failed to do their part for the party. They are paying a price for Ms Gray's apparent refusal to make a ruling on a core "ethics and propriety" issue.

Even when a document trail exists, Ms Gray is enthusiastic about keeping it a secret. We know that she advised special advisers on how to destroy email (by "double-deletion") to thwart FOIA requesters. She did not advise them on the requirements of the code on public record-keeping. We also know, via the Freedom of Information Act, that she kept no log of why, how or when she destroys documents (contrary to that guidance).

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boomster · 12/01/2022 13:04

@ThunderCrow

YANBU - this is the latest in a long line of criminality, corruption and incomptence. He should have gone long, long ago.

This government is a shower of shame on the country. When those at the very top behave like they have, they set a tone for everyone: that corruption and self-service is OK. It's not.

Johnson acts under the Trump mode: he lies, we know he lies and he knows we know he lies - but banks on the audicity of the lie being enough to carry him.

The biggest worry for me is this: they acted like this assuming they would not 'get caught'. What that tells me is this: there is a fuck load of stuff that they do not get caught for and that we don't know about. That's what gave them the impression that this would be another thing we never found out about.

Ditto selling government favours for wallpaper. Ditto handing billions of pounds to friends, family and themsleves under the cover of government contracts. Ditto, changing government rules to let their mates off. Ditto, not bothering to attend important meetings because they are too busy writing books or being paid by private businesses for other work. Ditto, lying to the Queen and us.

They shame us. Johnson should go down in history as the worst Prime Minister we ever had.

This should be reposted on every page of this thread.
Cam77 · 12/01/2022 13:05

Trouble is the chaos of the Tories: economic decline in absolute GDP terms thanks to Brexit, overall decline in living standards, and distrust in politicians at an all time low, can't be undone by Johnson resigning. I can;t stand the man, but it's done. I hope he fights the next election and gets kicked out by the electorate rather than the amoral backstabbers and plotters in his Party - which wouldnt be about any sense of justice - or "Oh isnt Mr Johnson a Bad Man/Leader" but simply self-interest.

Roussette · 12/01/2022 13:05

Yes I said that I was merely pointing out the rammed beaches that weekend are testament to the fact people weren't locked up in solitary confinement

Dear oh dear. Go on the thread where people are describing what they went through during that month and see what they say.

Christmaswindows · 12/01/2022 13:05

Keir Starmer is no better, comes across as nothing but a whiney little baby.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/01/2022 13:05

if Johnson was actually remorseful he would have owned up and apologised before being caught out

Sounds like the Relationships board doesn't it? Wink

Don't kid yourself that other MPs were in tears of real despair though - at least some of them will just be worried their own seats may be at risk because of this

MorningStarling · 12/01/2022 13:07

The PMQs were shameful. Particularly Starmer's questions and the ones from the SNP mob. Trying to make a link between the PM's "partying" and Covid deaths is highly distasteful, offensive really. I get what they're trying to do, trying to get the country to think of the PM laughing and drinking away at the idea of people dying, but that's not what happened.

Even with all this ammunition Starmer comes across appallingly. I've said this before, but he won't get Labour elected by pointing out the faults of the government, he will only get them elected by being a credible alternative on things that matter.

The public gets the politicians they deserve. If "partygate" is a bigger issue than the economy, education, public health, pensions, employment, defence and everything else, then God knows what sort of government we'll end up with next.

MysteriesOfTheOrganism · 12/01/2022 13:07

Yes, he should resign. But he won't, of course.

StoneofDestiny · 12/01/2022 13:07

Of course he should resign. He is a pathological liar. Resignation would require him and the Tory Party to have a moral compass - but they have shown not to have one.

This government, by supporting this man, are laughing at us all. And the police are being dragged into this - no way could the permanent police presence and security services not have noticed that many people carrying bottles of alcohol into the event - or indeed been aware of the event being planned. No way should our police be silent on this - or it's as clear as day they are not impartial where implementing the law and where justice is concerned.

Roussette · 12/01/2022 13:08

So let's dismiss 'partygate' then, is that what you're saying?

It's what it stands for.

alwaysraining123 · 12/01/2022 13:08

Yes, of course he should.

Just another example of how the Conservatives and Elites don't think the rules apply to them. This is why I will never vote for the Conservative's irrespective of the performance of Labour.

Cam77 · 12/01/2022 13:09

Johnson is the Tories man. Their "Get Brexit Done" wild card. They need to embrace the stink surrounding him and support him through this - and then hopefully get decimated at the next election. They won;t of course, and will dump him in the next two months.

Likkleredridinghood · 12/01/2022 13:09

Charismatic but corrupt, deceitful, inept versus a whiny nasal voice, apparently weak but no evidence for that...if that is the level of political discourse in the UK god help us and says a lot about some people's moral compass.

ThunderCrow · 12/01/2022 13:09

Even with all this ammunition Starmer comes across appallingly. I've said this before, but he won't get Labour elected by pointing out the faults of the government, he will only get them elected by being a credible alternative on things that matter.

Sad though it makes me - I think every election in my lifetime has been won by a party campaigning along the lines of "we're not as shit as them". It's a particular bugbear of mine: that our politics is based on aiming to be the least worst option, not on being the best option.

ClaudineClare · 12/01/2022 13:10

All they’ve done is look for a loophole in the rules and retrofit it to their story of what happened

Exactly, otherwise why did Johnson not explain this when first asked about it? Why didn't the Paymaster General during yesterday's urgent question? They so obviously spent the whole of yesterday cooking up this load of bullshit. They think we are all stupid.

Latticeallure88 · 12/01/2022 13:10

As a lady in Leeds said on the lunchtime news just now "well we won't take any notice of what he says now" and therein lies the problem.

Zombiemum1946 · 12/01/2022 13:11

50 people drinking, increased urination from normal levels. Sharing toilets with reduced inhibitions and attention to hygiene. Then they go home, mix with family. If they do that at work what happens outside of work ?
Are staff up to date with infection control training such as hand hygiene, cough etiquette, chain of infection especially working in close quarters with others? There is no excuse, any decent infection control specialist could rip they're explanation and justification apart. Lies, lies and more lies. The level of arrogance is sickening.

SueSaid · 12/01/2022 13:14

'The PMQs were shameful. Particularly Starmer's questions and the ones from the SNP mob. Trying to make a link between the PM's "partying" and Covid deaths is highly distasteful, offensive really'

God, that Blackford makes a tit of himself. Stands there parroting Johnson resign, every week.

They all looked like a load of cackling clowns. You'd think Starmer would be a bit more powerful and forensic but nope, was like an episode of Jezza Kyle.

Any gathering clearly needs investigating but tbh I'd rather be in a country with the fastest economic growth, fastest vaccine rollout etc and accept minor errors of judgement like being in a garden with colleagues for 25mins.

Cam77 · 12/01/2022 13:15

The Tories have inflicted huge harm on the UK economy thanks to their Brexit, but it's fitting that Johnson will be kicked out thanks to lying and corruption.

BoreOfWhabylon · 12/01/2022 13:15

@BashStreetKid

I do wonder what happens at Johnson's weekly audiences with The Queen. If I were her, I would be so attempted to ask him why she should bother listening to him given that she can't believe a word he says. Or else demand detailed chapter and verse from an independent fact-checker.
I don't imagine The Queen, after having sat all alone during her husband's funeral, will be very impressed.

Astonished to see that Clavinova is still spewing out their customary bilge.

Roussette · 12/01/2022 13:16

Chris Bryant MP, and Chair of Parliamentary Standards Committe, absolutely nailed it with what he said at PMQ to Johnson

twitter.com/LBC/status/1481247884137877508