Who is being U, Australia or Novak Djokovic?

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Me, I'm in the you can't have your cake and eat it Novak, camp!

I don't understand. I linked to a picture up above. He is with the Serbian Postal Service thanking them for a stamp in his honour. Maskless. Shaking hands. And that was the day he was tested positive. He then did the tweet the day after showing all this.
Surely he tests every morning. If so, he will have known he was positive.

@CharlotteRose90

Judging by what I’ve read both. He got s letter from tennis Australia on the 7th December saying un vaccinated passengers can travel as long as they prove they had covid within the last 6 months. Then mysteriously he gets covid on the 16th December 😂😂. Yeah massive coincidence and I bet he’s faked it to travel. I imagine they will let him in now it’s been proven Australia fucked up but I don’t think it’s fair. They made the rules and they shouldn’t allow him purely for the fact he’s a celebrity. No vaccination no entry as far as I’m concerned.

Tennis Australia is not a visa issuing authority or a government organisation though.

It’s like someone relying on advice from the FA about whether they’re allowed to enter the UK, and then blaming the Home Office.

No body will be able to prove if his infection on the 16th Dec was real or not so you have to accept it is real even if you suspect it isn’t so that point is mute.
And we all know here in U.K. you can catch it twice even if vaccinated as our leader of the opposition here Keir Starmer is currently isolating on his second covid positive and I would bet my mortgage he is triple jabbed and is a big mask wearer too.

(I do think Tennis Australia may have fucked up big time, and their letters to Atagi and the govt protesting that unless the tennis players got special treatment the viability of the tournament was at risk were disgraceful.

As an Australian who was shut out of my country for two years and still can’t get back to my home state without quarantine, I would respectfully suggest that anyone who thinks they deserve more special treatment than those of us with family we’ve not seen since the pandemic, just because they’re good at hitting a bouncy ball, can go fuck themselves.

Someone screwed up somewhere. He was told he could claim exemption and now they've moved the goalposts.

Don't care for the man but it seems like he's being made an example of.

No body will be able to prove if his infection on the 16th Dec was real or not so you have to accept it is real even if you suspect it isn’t so that point is mute.

We don't have to accept anything. His words and actions speak for themselves, he's fabricating his testing positive to avoid having the vaccination.

(I think you mean moot, not mute!)

@PearlclutchersInc

Someone screwed up somewhere. He was told he could claim exemption and now they've moved the goalposts.

Don't care for the man but it seems like he's being made an example of.

The trouble is ‘they’ constitutes so many different bodies with different powers.

The documents submitted to the court will be interesting and will give an idea of whether the Feds are trying to have their cake and eat it after the outcry, what the Vic Govt and Tennis Australia actually said to participants about entry to the country/state/tournament respectively, and the actions of Djokovic’s own team in this and whether they were trying to pull a fast one.

@JassyRadlett obviously I know they don’t issue visas but they clearly get their information from somewhere on guidelines otherwise they wouldn’t issue the documents they sent him. Either way they’ve both messed up and he deserves to be sent home. I’m actually proud of what that country is doing. Stick to the rules or get lost.

@PearlclutchersInc

Someone screwed up somewhere. He was told he could claim exemption and now they've moved the goalposts.

Don't care for the man but it seems like he's being made an example of.

No.

He applied for an exception from victoria state, and then travelled on a visa that doesn't allow for medical exemptions.

It's his own stupid fault. The fact that he is an anti-vax fuckwith is incidental.

[quote CharlotteRose90]@JassyRadlett obviously I know they don’t issue visas but they clearly get their information from somewhere on guidelines otherwise they wouldn’t issue the documents they sent him. Either way they’ve both messed up and he deserves to be sent home. I’m actually proud of what that country is doing. Stick to the rules or get lost.[/quote]
I wonder how much wishful thinking and wanting to make everyone happy went into those documents. Obviously they were working on getting the govt to bend the rules and perhaps they thought they’d found a loophole in domestic law where it didn’t exist in the visa rules (and hasn’t been there as far as I’ve seen, and I check the visa and exit/entry rules depressingly often.)

That their guidance talked about an exemption that ‘may’ exist rather than definitely did feels like an important point.

But it does all have a whiff of ‘we’re too special for the ordinary rules’ from both TA and the players/teams involved.

@CorrBlimeyGG

No body will be able to prove if his infection on the 16th Dec was real or not so you have to accept it is real even if you suspect it isn’t so that point is mute.

We don't have to accept anything. His words and actions speak for themselves, he's fabricating his testing positive to avoid having the vaccination.

(I think you mean moot, not mute!)

Sorry yes moot not mute, New Years resolution turn auto correct off , it really is more of a hindrance than a help!

And yes Australia do have to accept his covid positive test as it was done in Serbia and to not accept it will make this whole diplomatic situation with Serbia a million times worse! You would be accusing them of lying. Does scomo really want to go down that road? It would be very foolish imo.

Djokovic is wrong. Even if we ignore his anti vax ignorance, there are 2 options.

1. He’s lying about his previous Covid infection on 16th Dec
2. He did test positive on 16th Dec, and was out at an event on the 17th, meeting fans and spreading his virus.

Either one is unacceptable

@Derbee

Djokovic is wrong. Even if we ignore his anti vax ignorance, there are 2 options.

1. He’s lying about his previous Covid infection on 16th Dec
2. He did test positive on 16th Dec, and was out at an event on the 17th, meeting fans and spreading his virus.

Either one is unacceptable

But derbee

1. You need proof, you can’t just accuse him if this unless you want to equally accuse the Serbian testing process and by default the Serbian government.

1. That’s not Australia’s business. He was in Serbia at the time and that’s up to them and their rules at the time and whether they care that he broke the rules there. And if he did it’s up to Serbia what they want to do about it.

"And yes Australia do have to accept his covid positive test as it was done in Serbia and to not accept it will make this whole diplomatic situation with Serbia a million times worse! You would be accusing them of lying. Does scomo really want to go down that road? It would be very foolish imo."

Surely though he would have to to have provided proof of the positive result when applying for the visa? So before any political issues. Otherwise anyone could say they have had an infection recently. Also I'm sure I read on this thread earlier that a recent positive case is only for Australian citizens to enter the country not non Australian's.

The problem Australia may have politically is with their own citizens who very well may not be happy with Djokovic being allowed to remain in the country

@Derbee

Djokovic is wrong. Even if we ignore his anti vax ignorance, there are 2 options.

1. He’s lying about his previous Covid infection on 16th Dec
2. He did test positive on 16th Dec, and was out at an event on the 17th, meeting fans and spreading his virus.

Either one is unacceptable

Wow I didn’t know about the second one. If that’s true he’s a disgusting piece of crap who deserves stripping of any medals. How he thinks the rules are above him I don’t know.

@PracticalQuestion
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He had it in December. Not 9 months ago*

@BashStreetKid posted this on Thursday.
Most people only found out he tested positive in December today. He has tested positive twice.

Do you know more than the rest of us?

Interesting that no evidence was given of his positive test in December until now.

Personally I think he’s a lying twat. But even if he’s allowed in to play, his reputation is destroyed and he’ll be lucky if he doesn’t get booed off the court.

And really, the Serbian president getting involved, who the hell does he think he is? This bloke is just a tennis player. He’s just an average person hardly important in the scheme of things.

I had to laugh though at the pictures of “all his fans” camped outside the hotel. There were about 12 of them.

Surely though he would have to to have provided proof of the positive result when applying for the visa? So before any political issues.

Also before he had Covid, so a bit tricky…

Surely though he would have to to have provided proof of the positive result when applying for the visa? So before any political issues.

And no, proof of vaccine status is dealt with separately from having a visa. You make a legally binding declaration about your vaccine status via the Australian Travel Declaration at least 72 hours before you depart; you have to have the proof to back up that declaration to show the airlines and immigration authorities when asked.

I don’t think any visas have vaccination as a requirement per se; it’s the ability to use those visas to enter the country that is restricted.

@AlternativePerspective

Interesting that no evidence was given of his positive test in December until now.

Personally I think he’s a lying twat. But even if he’s allowed in to play, his reputation is destroyed and he’ll be lucky if he doesn’t get booed off the court.

And really, the Serbian president getting involved, who the hell does he think he is? This bloke is just a tennis player. He’s just an average person hardly important in the scheme of things.

I had to laugh though at the pictures of “all his fans” camped outside the hotel. There were about 12 of them.

I don’t think there will be a hit to Novak’s reputation and it certainly isn’t destroyed , at least outside Australia. In U.K. coverage is generally sympathetic to him and so far portraying it as a cock up by Australian border control. I think most U.K. commentators think the Aussie rules are OTT generally (the 2020 days of Australia being the gold standard in covid response are long gone!). Might change if something comes out like fraudulent paperwork or similar but otherwise on radio at least people talking about it here might think he is a twat for not being vaccinated but he is also being treated badly by the Australian government. It’s still lead story on all the bulletins here!

@Derbee

Djokovic is wrong. Even if we ignore his anti vax ignorance, there are 2 options.

1. He’s lying about his previous Covid infection on 16th Dec
2. He did test positive on 16th Dec, and was out at an event on the 17th, meeting fans and spreading his virus.

Either one is unacceptable

I'd put my mortgage on the first 1.

No-vacc Joke-o-visa wants to move to a hotel where he can train and play tennis to prepare for the tournament. There are plenty of suitable hotels in Belgrade. Off you go drongo.

Definitely ND.

I was stupefied to read yesterday that his father was saying ‘My son is being crucified, like Jesus.’

Thought you guys would appreciate this 🤣

No-vacc Joke-o-visa 😂😂