Ghislaine Maxwell.....

[Livelovebehappy]

Ghislaine Maxwell has been found guilty of grooming young girls for Jeffrey Epstein. Whilst she absolutely was guilty of aiding the abuse of these girls, shouldn’t there now be investigations into the high profile men who were clearly involved in the abuse? Clinton and Trump, as well as a Prince Andrew were clearly very close to Epstein, and there have been rumours of many other famous people being around at the time. I actually think Epstein’s death was suspect, and I wouldn’t be surprised if his death had been staged to protect some high profile men from being exposed. Maxwell has definitely taken the fall for a lot of people who should have been in the dock with her.

YABU @Livelovebehappy. Maxwell is a sex trafficker and sex offender. She groomed, exploited and abused children. She deserves everything she gets.

I hope that her conviction has a domino effect and the other child abusers are exposed and held accountable. But I dont agree that she's taking the fall for any of them. She has not been sentenced yet.

Two things would need to align: sufficient credible evidence to charge Prince Andrew & Prince Charles to come to the throne.

This may take some time to occur, but if there is no statute of limitations, it could well happen.

At the moment, PrinceA has very expensive experienced lawyers & he follows their advice.

The extradition process weighs in the US’s favour & if there comes a charge for PA to answer, that process will kick in.

I have RTWT and I am a bit surprised no-one's mentioned this.

GM was not the only woman procuring minors for Epstein. What about the other women/assistants whose names crop up? Clearly GM was the longest, the most high profile etc and possibly the oldest, but she was not the only woman involved, was she?

I'm not talking about the young girls who brought their friends in, but the older women who worked for him.

I also think that some of Harvey Weinstein's assistants should be investigated, like the ones who knew very well what the innocent "oh the location changed, now go up to his hotel room to talk about a film" actresses were in for, and who chose to help him anyway. AND obviously, the male execs, every one of them, who knew what he was up to.

I find it troublesome that the various men who hung around him aren't being pursued more actively, including the so-guilty-it-hurts Prince Andrew.

I'm essentially hoping that the prosecution of GM doesn't end the investigation into child sex abuse by JE.

She is undoubtedly guilty, but WHO WERE THE SEX CRIMES CARRIED OUT BY?

Maxwell was the seller, but there is a buyer here (unless Maxwell had a prodigious homosexual appetite) - WHO WERE/ARE THESE MEN?

Maxwell herself sexually abused at least one child.

@AffIt the victims gave evidence that she was also involved in the sex crimes. One said they were coerced into performing oral sex on her.

Maxwell is not some feminist martyr being punished for the actions of a man. She committed her own crimes and should sit in prison for them.

I hope Prince Andrew also ends up in prison.

Disgusting people, the lot of them.

[quote DifferentHair]@AffIt the victims gave evidence that she was also involved in the sex crimes. One said they were coerced into performing oral sex on her.

Maxwell is not some feminist martyr being punished for the actions of a man. She committed her own crimes and should sit in prison for them.

I hope Prince Andrew also ends up in prison.

Disgusting people, the lot of them. [/quote]
I completely agree, and I'm glad she is being personally punished for her crimes, but there HAS to be more to this: no one individual, be they male or female, would do this to such an extent.

She has a grenade in her pocket...

Hopefully Prince Andrew is sweating now.

@TrishM80

Hopefully Prince Andrew is sweating now.

Yep...

She deserves to face prosecution, she treated young ladies often underage like animals however I agree that certain Men's heads should roll for this too.
Weinstein death was extremely suss, he was silenced.
Apologies reporting my above post.

Hardly a scapegoat, she willingly chose to procure young girls and women and in fact abused them herself as well. She was in no way forced into these activities, she did it, it seems firsly out of a desire to maintain a certain lifestyle, and possibly also for her own sexual satisfaction.

As for others, yes, there were others involved with these girls, but that gets to another level of complexity from the point of investigation. Epstein was being prosecuted firstly for the girls he procured and abused himself. As GM was involves in that. There is really good evidence of this from the POV of the courts.

What happened at the parties will require all kinds of other complicated evidence, it's not enough to show that some man was there. There has to be evidence that they had sex with women who were underage or unwilling and that they were in a position where they ought to have known that was the case. A picture of some man standing next to someone won't cut it. That's not really because they are more powerful than her, it's a problem of evidence.

I expect this is part of the reason they went after GM first. The case is a lot more solid, almost overwhelmingly so, and they hope that having convicted her they may be able to get her to provide some of the evidence they'll need.

She was doing these crimes over years , abusing multiple young girls . She has been found guilty , nothing to do with misogyny, it wouldn't have mattered what her sex was , she did the crimes and will do the time.

I personally doubt that PA or any of the other wealthy men will be prosecuted . PA, for instance , has been accused of having sex with one girl, three times. Nowhere near the volume of crimes which GM perpetrated . I'm pretty sure that his huge bank account and impeccable connections, will ensure that nothing will ever come of it.

Some of the others , like Trump and Clinton, were seen on the plane or at the island, but unless there is some credible evidence of wrong doing, the courts won't bother spending time on these cases. Unless GM starts singing like a canary and showing some evidence of these men's crimes, the cases will never see the light of day.

@Emerald5hamrock

She deserves to face prosecution, she treated young ladies often underage like animals however I agree that certain Men's heads should roll for this too. Weinstein death was extremely suss, he was silenced. Apologies reporting my above post.

I think you mean Epstein not Weinstein!

I think that Weinstein was also at Beatrice's 18th party wasn't he?

She has rightly been convicted but but the men who participated in this grooming gang also need to be convicted. However powerful, however difficult.

@Parsley1234

Why is GM saying nothing ? If she implicates other people she could of plea bargained a lesser sentence before trial I believe but is she really going to say nothing why ? She has nothing to lose that I can see unless she believes she could be suicided too

Aside from the obvious, she'd have to admit her guilt.

I think that Weinstein was also at Beatrice's 18th party wasn't he?

Yes. 2006. He's not particular about the company he keeps...

This article is interesting

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ghislaine-maxwells-little-black-book-25816997

300 Brits listed in her little black book. That does not mean they are implicated in anything. I think we should stress that. Epstein had the money and she had the contacts, he was socially inept and she gave him the boost he wanted with people she knew.

But this... Sixteen numbers for Andrew??

"The so-called little black book contained 301 Brits listing more than 1,000 numbers and dozens of email addresses between them.

They included countless celebrities including Mick Jagger, Simon Le Bon, Phil Collins, the late Sir David Frost, Richard Branson, Naomi Campbell, Tamara Beckwith, Jonathan Dimbleby, Lloyd Grossman and numerous lords and ladies.

Ex-British Prime Minister Tony Blair is recorded once, while his former cabinet minister Lord Peter Mandelson has ten numbers, including one marked ‘direct line’, one marked ‘home’ and one marked ‘country home’.

Princess Diana’s brother, Charles Spencer, also features.

There are 16 separate phone numbers for Prince Andrew, including a mobile phone number, one marked Palace ex-directory, one for Balmoral, the Queen’s private retreat in Scotland where the Prince invited Epstein, and one marked Sand, which appears to be Sandringham, the other royal retreat where he spent time"

Oops shit I meant Epstein I'll report my post.
All those pervy men roll into one.

Would be great if they exposed the men, which should be easy given that Maxwell and Epstein videoed everything. There are rumours that it was some kind of perverted spy blackmail ring, which would not surprise me in the least. Am betting Maxwell will be dead once the brouhaha has died down, so the men get off scot free.

What I do find odd is that if PA knew that JE & GM were trafficking young girls he then went on to invite them to his daughter's 18th birthday.

@diddl

What I do find odd is that if PA knew that JE & GM were trafficking young girls he then went on to invite them to his daughter's 18th birthday.

This is my issue too. If you were aware of trafficking, and involved in the abuse, of teenage girls, you wouldn't let those people anywhere near your own children, surely?

@diddl

What I do find odd is that if PA knew that JE & GM were trafficking young girls he then went on to invite them to his daughter's 18th birthday.

We expect the RF to entertain people who most of us would cross the street to avoid. Some real Bluebeards in the pack. All for international relations and trade deals.

If you break bread with men who own torture chambers, it must really screw with your perception of what is acceptable behaviour. Sup with the devil and all that.

No excuse, but Epstein was not the first dodgy acquaintance of the family, was he - dulled sensibilities all round?

Wonder if PA daughters feel at their father's antics.

Perhaps not and just making sure their own beds are lined by marrying wealthy men.

PA insited his daughters have titles but was happy to abuse an undergar girl who is someone's daughter.

Scum

"We expect the RF to entertain people who most of us would cross the street to avoid. Some real Bluebeards in the pack. All for international relations and trade deals."

But then you don't invite them into your private life?