Royal guard video kicking child in the way

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I wasn't born and raised in the UK and am not into the culture of 'tradition' but I don't understand the majority of reactions to this video blaming the parent and saying of the guards 'it's their job'.

Can anyone more enlightened explain to me why this was necessary? As far as I can see the guard is marching, not saving London from attack. I don't see why a side-step wouldn't work. And if this is a register thing then maybe future control of how close members of the public are able to get in their path

www.indy100.com/viral/queen-royal-guard-trampled-kid-tiktok-video-b1983965

Child tickets are strictly capped at the grand national, presumably for safety reasons. It's not a hugely child-friendly event. There's also an empty gap between the crowd and the horses that is patrolled by stewards.

I have not read all this but have watched the video.
He tripped over a child who was standing in his way.
The child was not a toddler, you can see by the size that he looks about 6. Old enough to know better.
His parents should have been paying better attention and he was unhurt.
Please can we bring down the level of drama.

No amount of marching around in straight lines in silly headgear is going to be a match for that

Well, the secret service haven’t been able to stop attacks on 2 US Presidents (JFK and RR), so on that logic, they just shouldn’t bother, cos they aren’t going to be a match for terrorists.

Having said that, US security is pants. I travelled one week after the 9/11 attacks, and while all the U.K. sensors picked up the significant amount of surgical steel hold my leg together, not a single US one did.

Not to mention the speeds horses and cyclists are going at finish lines. It's a whole lot harder to get out of the way which is why, where thousands of excited people are jumping, pushing and shouting at finish lines it's wise for all involved to have barriers. None of that is familiar with behaviour or crowd numbers at Tower of London and indeed the soldiers are not travelling at 35 mph and having to control a separate entity

Are you really trying to equate this incident with the Holocaust?
That’s shameful.

I am pointing out that the excuses offered for this horrible incident - following orders (without reference to common sense or a sense of shared humanity), or revering tradition (just because it's tradition), or reverencing the way things have always been done, or accusing those who question the behaviour or demeanour of the armed forces of having 'an agenda' is the pathway to an authoritarian state.

Some people don't draw parallels because they believe this could only happen in Germany and was a once off.

Explain to me exactly how this might happen no because I am not a terrorist

The angle at which I saw the video it looks as if the child tripped and fell into the guard's path and the guard did his best to step over him. It all happened in seconds.

Where are people getting the idea that he was trampled on? He was unhurt so definitely not trampled.

None of that is familiar with behaviour or crowd numbers at Tower of London and indeed the soldiers are not travelling at 35 mph and having to control a separate entity

The Guards are marching directly through crowds of unsuspecting people. They have to have the Beefeaters announce they are setting off so that people at their departure point can scuttle to one side.

You don't have to be marching particularly fast to knock someone over if you're a well built man and the person you walk straight into is a child, or someone's deaf gran.

@Bogofftosomewherehot

I think that (following their comment quoted below) if *@mathanxiety* has kids they won't let them near roads without a barrier, on trains, near a pond, the Grand Canyon, in a crowd at a concert. Maybe their child goes to school in a padded suit. I could go on. Let's put up a barrier, let's blame someone else - or maybe as a parent take some responsibility, if you choose to go to a place with armed soldiers doing their job then keep your kids out of the way!

Quote from math anxiety: "You wanna let the public wander in an area where armed, real soldiers are carrying out a thoroughly professional mission, and you feel that the level of threat is such that the patrols and the arms are warranted, maybe put up barriers and keep the public from getting in the way"

As American police are heavily armed and there’s a proud tradition of the US army selling military equipment to local sheriff departments, you can only assume mathanxiety’s kids don’t go anywhere, ever.

@Mamamia7962

The angle at which I saw the video it looks as if the child tripped and fell into the guard's path and the guard did his best to step over him. It all happened in seconds.

Where are people getting the idea that he was trampled on? He was unhurt so definitely not trampled.

Because they love the drama! It's making a big fuss over the fact that a child got in the way and there was a minor accident. I mean god, someone described it as horrific. What a stupid choice of word for an accident where a child was clearly unhurt. The one thing this thread clearly proves, is some parents feel so entitled for them and their children to do whatever they want and if there's consequences, it couldn't possibly be their fault.

@KeflavikAirport

Child tickets are strictly capped at the grand national, presumably for safety reasons. It's not a hugely child-friendly event. There's also an empty gap between the crowd and the horses that is patrolled by stewards.

Ok, what ambit your average race day then - where children go free and do not need a ticket. The same applies. Barriers only where the finish line is and plenty access to the course in other parts (thinking about my 2 locals that we go to regularly where it's my responsibility to make sure my kids don't end up in front of a horse)

Mathanxiety - No matter what the thread Godwin's Law always seems to make an appearance.

Really!

The Guards are marching directly through crowds of unsuspecting people

They do this totally silently, and wearing invisibility cloaks

Explain to me exactly how this might happe no because I am not a terrorist

And also because you don't really know how it could happen.

If you watch the video, the first family, noticed what was going on and took appropriate action the other family by the looks of it were on another planet. Dopey arses.
We have eyes and ears for a reason.

People do this when in crowds at events, with no situational awareness, crowding stairs at theaters, etc.
Shift.

I think it’s really interesting that you think this incident shows that the British are more authoritarian than Americans.

I think if you compare videos of U.K. police arrests and US police arrests, you get quite a different picture.

'Crowds of unsuspecting people'. There really aren't.

[quote mathanxiety]@ILoveYou3000, if this were a mere collision, then both parties would have retained both feet on the ground, with perhaps some stumbling on the part of the smaller party.

Unfortunately, the child ended up under the feet of the Guardsman, hence 'trampled'.

I am finding the hair splitting here really sad.[/quote]
This is absolutely untrue.

Let's say there are two toddlers running around, they collide (a collision) both end up on the floor. No trampling takes places.

In the scenario being discussed, an 8 year old child collided with adult, the smaller, lighter of the two ends up on the ground. A collision. No trampling takes place, as the adult lifts his leg high to step over child. The Guard did not stand on the boy nor did his foot make contact with the child's body, thus no trampling ("to tread on and crush").

@TrashyPanda

The Guards are marching directly through crowds of unsuspecting people

They do this totally silently, and wearing invisibility cloaks

@mathanxiety

None of that is familiar with behaviour or crowd numbers at Tower of London and indeed the soldiers are not travelling at 35 mph and having to control a separate entity

The Guards are marching directly through crowds of unsuspecting people. They have to have the Beefeaters announce they are setting off so that people at their departure point can scuttle to one side.

You don't have to be marching particularly fast to knock someone over if you're a well built man and the person you walk straight into is a child, or someone's deaf gran.

Surely you make sure and take into account the situation and place you are in. Not just wander around in blind ignorance.

@TrashyPanda, take a look at some videos of the Guards at the Tower, maybe try YouTube.

You will see plenty of surprised people. Crowds generate noise, and you don't always hear or correctly identify the sound of marching, or locate its source, until the marching Guards are breathing down your neck and bellowing at you to make way. Even then, you might need to turn around to face them so you could see which way to run.

Sorry but I think it's a joke. It's all ceremonial nonsense. They aren't really protecting anything. All they do is march around for the pomp and circumstance of it all, under the delusion that there is a family appointed by god to rule us all.

It's idiotic.

As a sensible suggestion... maybe marking the routes with lines on the pavement so people know where the soldiers march and to keep away from when they are approaching?

Well that might sound sensible but it relies on people being observant, and they aren't. Take it from someone who has often been told to get on the cycle path, when I am on the cycle path and it is marked as separate by bollards, paint and signs, people won't see the path any more than this kid saw two soldiers marching towards him.

Ah, only on mumsnet is a poorly behaved child considered the same as millions of people being tortured and brutally murdered.

@TrashyPanda

The Guards are marching directly through crowds of unsuspecting people

They do this totally silently, and wearing invisibility cloaks

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