To think the Guardian is a joke re: JK Rowling?

[Firesidefox]

So, the Guardian was running a 'person of the year' poll, and I voted for JK Rowling for her bravery in standing up to the extremist wing of the trans lobby.

I went to have a look to see when the results were out, and they've deactivated the poll! According to Twitter, it's because JK Rowling was the out and out winner.

If this is the case, this is PATHETIC.

@bearandowl it's already been established that this was fake news.

@TheHamburgler Ah I see. Yes its's true they do tend to do the 'Tell us about your xyz' pieces a lot. So it's not the gotcha people think it is.

@Berlinkreuzberg

Which mp is that *@whachatalkinaboutwillis* ?

Emily Thornbury springs to mind

It's not a poll and they asked over 10 days ago so they probably have enough answers and are choosing who to write about

This is not the 'gotcha' that you think it is.

There was no poll but it won't stop people from posting bullshit.

The Gordon Brown bigoted women moment is widely acknowledged as the tuning point when Britain started pandering to the racists. He was completely correct about her.

Tories got in and the rest is Brexit history. Sadly for UK.

@Firesidefox did you actually fill out a poll or just submit on a comments section?

@IpanemaPeaHen

The Gordon Brown bigoted women moment is widely acknowledged as the tuning point when Britain started pandering to the racists. He was completely correct about her.

Tories got in and the rest is Brexit history. Sadly for UK.

No, you have this the wrong way round.

Voters' concerns about immigration were ignored, they were called bigots and racist, they felt disenfranchised and Brexit came about because of that. Had there been a frank discussion and had the issue been addressed, we wouldn't have had Brexit.

@DillonPanthersTexas

Are you actually surprised?

Bit like that infamous list that was posted on various Comment is Free articles that listed the educational background of all the guardian journalists (90% of whom were public school and Oxbridge) that kept on getting deleted as it did not quite tally with the editorial line that lamented the lack of diversity in the Westminster village or other industries.

Surely one would expect (want) journalists to be clever (ie Oxbridge educated) rather than less clever ? Nothing to be ashamed of ?

Mole at the counter has done a lovely mockup of the Guardian cover!

@Waitwhat23

Or more recently - labour-uncut.co.uk/2021/09/22/labour-is-losing-women-it-could-cost-labour-the-next-election-it-doesnt-have-to-be-this-way/

Rosie Duffield was unable to attend her own party conference due to to threats made against her due to her 'bigoted' views.

This is excellent, thank you for sharing @Waitwhat23 - I hadn't seen it before.

Apparently I've read 10(!)yes TEN articles on The Guardian this year, so I should be paying to read it! No, Thanks.

The Guardian need to wake up and actually listen on this topic.

@loislovesstewie

Apparently I've read 10(!)yes TEN articles on The Guardian this year, so I should be paying to read it! No, Thanks.

Same! Wtf! Haha it will be bloody links from here. Say what you like q out the daily fail but at least I'm not capped on the number of threads I can understand on MN!

I don't think it was an official poll and was just for fun

although they would have announced it if it were anyone else-

"Voters' concerns about immigration were ignored, they were called bigots and racist, they felt disenfranchised and Brexit came about because of that. Had there been a frank discussion and had the issue been addressed, we wouldn't have had Brexit."

Immigration wasn't a big issue in 2010. It became one as austerity kicked in.

Surely one would expect (want) journalists to be clever (ie Oxbridge educated) rather than less clever ? Nothing to be ashamed of ?

Not really, I would want to have a range of backgrounds to have a wider perspective on things.

Despite the OP being utterly disproved on page 2 of this thread, the poll shows only 6% voting unreasonable.

Never change Mumsnet.

@user1471517900

Its funny to watch all the fury.

I think the overwhelming public opinion is that a once-good newspaper has become a joke.

Sadly the Guardian has forgotten that half of their readership are women, and we care about our rights and the rights of future generations.

Newspapers are all part of the same business group and operate through "carpetbagging" - promoting whatever it takes to get sales and clicks and keep a position of power.

It's naive to think they have the Guardian has some idealistic attachment to justice or supporting or believe in any point of view, they just what they can do to get sales and promote their own importance.

They make money through the same stories, "playing both sides of the equation".

It's not like the noble leftie journalists are speaking against the nasty tabloids or vice versa - they all are profiting from the set-up. It's the people who trust them or the people who they report on who are normally the victims or caught in the crossfire.

Journalists will move between different papers, they don't believe a word of what they write unless it makes sales or conforms to a particular agenda or targets a particular person the paper's Editor wants targeted!

The editor of the Mail was known to be close friends with the editor of the Guardian .The Guardian wrote a massive sycophantic "flattery piece" about Paul Dacre's son when he took on a new job.

With the trans movement, there's been a clear attempt by organisations like the BBC and the Guardian early on to "set up" vulnerable young people and "promote their surgery"

And then they know a few months later, afterwards the Mail gets to run articles humiliating the same young people with "sadface" articles. The culture is of drama and clickbait and "making stories".

JK Rowling has never been well supported by any sections of the Press. Even the BBC runs vicious articles on her!

She was a woman who got so commercially successful early on and was an "early adopter of Twitter and her own blog" so she didn't need to use the media for tacky promotion, and received extreme harassment from a lot of the Press (including the broadsheets and of course the Mail etc) and testified against them in the Leveson Inquiry.

Plus, beautiful, successful, philanthropist, married a doctor - the jealous media knives were out for her early on!

[quote JohnHuffam1812]@whachatalkinaboutwillis

This old tripe again? Got examples?[/quote]
Didn't Emily Thornberry have to resign over this very thing?

Immigration wasn't a big issue in 2010. It became one as austerity kicked in.

It was.

www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/24/how-immigration-came-to-haunt-labour-inside-story

It wasn't addressed, it wasn't addressed later and now we are all suffering the Brexit consequences.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon this is the thing. An example of an area which has had issues with high unemployment and low wages etc is Boston in Lincolnshire who voted to Leave at one of highest percentages of the country - 75%. A fairly large influence of this seems to have been the idea that foreigners were 'taking all our jobs'. Obviously incorrect but refusing to listen to these concerns, even to correct them, lead to a situation where people there felt disenfranchised and so voted to leave.

A political party can call their voters bigots and tell them not to vote for them if they like - there's been quite a lot of that directed towards women who are trying to keep sex based rights. It's then slightly bizarre to be surprised when those people do exactly that and you lose votes/seats.