To think the Guardian is a joke re: JK Rowling?

[Firesidefox]

So, the Guardian was running a 'person of the year' poll, and I voted for JK Rowling for her bravery in standing up to the extremist wing of the trans lobby.

I went to have a look to see when the results were out, and they've deactivated the poll! According to Twitter, it's because JK Rowling was the out and out winner.

If this is the case, this is PATHETIC.

Can you please be respectful with your comments

Um I do like this comment cause its so hypocritical. Have you seen the comments issued to anyone who doesn't toe the party line on this thread.

A poll would indicate there would need to be a winner. There was never intended to be a winner, as said this type of thing is a regular feature in the Guardian where suggestions are taken and reders opinions (recipies/experiences etc) are gathered.

It wasn't pulled the Guardian close all of these things before collating information.

The idea that people can have a difference of opinion on something that very clearly was made up to start with is ridiculous.

But we are apparently allowing people to have their own opinions on facts.

This is actually an interesting point. The fact that the human species is dimorphic is constantly being opined upon by visitors to the FWR board. Anyone trying to point out the fact that there are only two sexes
are called 'biological essentialists' and transphobic for stating this fact. Maya Forstater had to fight a court case to establish gender critical views (including the fact that there are only two sexes) as a 'protected belief' because the fact that it is, well, a fact wasn't enough for those baying for her blood.

I wonder why those posters are allowed to have their own opinions on facts and in fact can utilise the chilling scream of 'transphobe!' while women who have, in this case, misunderstood the poll/survey/submissions etc etc have to capitulate totally? Hmm.....this hairshirt is getting a bit scratchy.

And hahaha

Yet another misrepresentation of what I said on another thread.

Fine, believe and get angry about shit that never happened.

@JohnHuffam1812

Can you please be respectful with your comments

Um I do like this comment cause its so hypocritical. Have you seen the comments issued to anyone who doesn't toe the party line on this thread.

A poll would indicate there would need to be a winner. There was never intended to be a winner, as said this type of thing is a regular feature in the Guardian where suggestions are taken and reders opinions (recipies/experiences etc) are gathered.

It wasn't pulled the Guardian close all of these things before collating information.

The idea that people can have a difference of opinion on something that very clearly was made up to start with is ridiculous.

You can disagree with the dictionary definition if you like but that doesn't make people who agree with it wrong. I'm very happy for you you to ask people who you feel are rudey to you to be respectful but even if people were speaking as rudely to you as you are to others, that would not excuse your behaviour.

Not sure what you mean by opinion on something made up to start with given differing opinions on whether it even was. Who gets to decide if something was made up before anyone is allowed an opinion? I think that would be a very dystopian future.

"Who gets to decide whether it was made up".

Well as it evidently wasn't a poll for an overall person of the year, and it wasn't pulled because JK Rowling was leading, which is evident in the presentation (like former articles of this type) and the fact that JK Rowling is present and praised for her status on the trans debate. It rather proves the initial point on which the thread was started does it not.

But fine believe it if you like.

I think a lot of people did get the wrong end of the stick here. The idea that votes were being tallied in order to announce a winner took off on twitter and then someone joked that Jkr had won but it was being covered up by the guardian, and that rumour took off as well. However, had it not been so utterly plausible and consistent with the guardian's rubbish behaviour on this issue, those rumours wouldn't have gained so much traction. Fwiw I also nominated JKR and am pleasantly surprised they included her in the article.

@JohnHuffam1812

"Who gets to decide whether it was made up".

Well as it evidently wasn't a poll for an overall person of the year, and it wasn't pulled because JK Rowling was leading, which is evident in the presentation (like former articles of this type) and the fact that JK Rowling is present and praised for her status on the trans debate. It rather proves the initial point on which the thread was started does it not.

But fine believe it if you like.

This is entirely your opinion which you are welcome to. I also welcome others having different opinions. There is nothing you present here which proves your opinion had specialnclaim to factual status.

I genuinely don’t understand why it matters so much.

No I've presented the facts, based on what the Guaridan actually asked for, given context of how it uses the information it gathers, and then the Guardian has used it exactly the way it has done in the past.

The thread was started on a factually incorrect premise and then the frothing at the mouth began.

Good for JK. She’s been treated dreadfully by the very people who ‘made it’ because of her creation. It’s appalling. And in case she ever makes it to
Mumsnet

@JohnHuffam1812

No I've presented the facts, based on what the Guaridan actually asked for, given context of how it uses the information it gathers, and then the Guardian has used it exactly the way it has done in the past.

The thread was started on a factually incorrect premise and then the frothing at the mouth began.

Being rude again does not convince anyone that you are right. Your opinion is that you are presenting facts. Until you can accept that others have different opinions and that the facts about most situations are contested I think you will really struggle to engage in conversations and to do so respectfully.

I don't think there is any point in continuing this interaction whilst you hold dear to your supposed access to a level of truth which others can't see.

So many Labour voters read the Guardian, I am happy to see the support for her.

Have you seen the comments issued to anyone who doesn't toe the party line on this thread

Just cos someone is rude to you doesnt mean you should be rude to everyone else

You seem to be the angry one at the moment

@Dadalus
"someone joked that Jkr had won but it was being covered up by the guardian, and that rumour took off as well. However, had it not been so utterly plausible and consistent with the guardian's rubbish behaviour on this issue, those rumours wouldn't have gained so much traction.

There's a lesson for anyone who thinks that social media exists in a vacuum there.

@TeaAndStrumpets
A well-made point, perhaps the PLP might like to think about that when they next develop some policies relevant to those who vote rather than those who tweet.

[quote blameless]@Dadalus
"someone joked that Jkr had won but it was being covered up by the guardian, and that rumour took off as well. However, had it not been so utterly plausible and consistent with the guardian's rubbish behaviour on this issue, those rumours wouldn't have gained so much traction.

There's a lesson for anyone who thinks that social media exists in a vacuum there.

@TeaAndStrumpets
A well-made point, perhaps the PLP might like to think about that when they next develop some policies relevant to those who vote rather than those who tweet.[/quote]
Agreed, "those who vote versus those who tweet"...very true!

Are people really, genuinely still trying to argue that this was, or might have been, a vote or competition of some sort?

Clearly the guardian did not list every single person who was nominated for person of the year. If they randomly picked people to meet their own agenda rather than reporting on those most nominated this would reflect very, very poorly on them and although they have published some very anti female articles in recent years I am not willing to completely write them off, so yes I think it is reasonable to consider this some sort of poll.