Why does 'wokeness' annoy people so much?

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Isn't it just trying to make the world a better place but making people feel accepted no matter their race, gender etc?

It seems to wind some people up so bad - and it's usually those that are part of a majority group that gets wound up most by it (usually white/men) - is it because they feel threatened?

Whenever anyone stands up for a cause they are automatically called woke - and it's now as if it's a bad thing.

It's sad, I see people fed up with 'wokeness' as code for 'we can't get away with our racist, sexist BS anymore as people are calling us out'.

Can I ask which party you think is least racist?

I can't answer honestly because I think racism is woven into the very fabric of British institutions it's a bit like asking which particular blade of grass makes the park look green.

@JohnHuffam1812

"Many do" yet your statistics don't prove that there are many at all or that the sex offenders who are trans used their status to attack anyone.

But its nice to see that you can dismiss a whole group based on the behaviour of a minority.

You clearly didn't even bother to read the links, certainly not in the short time I posted it.

The links PROVED they used their trans status to attack women. It's all there in the links if you bothered to read. Trans women in particular comment sexual offences at the same rate as men. And, they TAKE ADVANTAGE of self ID. It's all in the links. There is now no excuse for your ignorance or denial of REALITY.

*commit, not comment. Sorry.

The links didn't prove that those currently in prison did. They were selected examples which don't show what a majority do.

In fact we could all.pull together cases which are comnitrd by minorities to support any argument we like. It doesn't back up your claims that "many," people are exploiting trans status to.attaxk women in safe spaces.

@VladmirsPoutine

Can I ask which party you think is least racist?

I can't answer honestly because I think racism is woven into the very fabric of British institutions it's a bit like asking which particular blade of grass makes the park look green.

I can see your point - daft question -I guess it's like asking which party is least misogynistic

@JohnHuffam1812

The links didn't prove that those currently in prison did. They were selected examples which don't show what a majority do.

In fact we could all.pull together cases which are comnitrd by minorities to support any argument we like. It doesn't back up your claims that "many," people are exploiting trans status to.attaxk women in safe spaces.

You clearly didn't bother to read the links. The overwhelming evidence proves that men are taking advantage of it to attack women.

And whether it is many, or one, one is one too much.

Rules are made on 'worst case scenario' clause. Women have women's only restrooms based on worst case scenario. ONE person is one too many, and is proof why self-ID is dangerous. All I needed was one person. I gave dozens as proof. So I gave superfluous evidence. One case, ONE case, is ONE TOO MANY.

John, I and many women are more than happy for trans people to have a third space. A space that is safe for trans people. But the militants don't want that. They don't want to fight for their own spaces. They'd rather dismantle ours. That, is how we know this is about dismantling women's rights and safeguarding, it's nothing to do with trans per se. If it was, they'd fight for trans only facilities. Which all of us would SUPPORT. The answer is too obvious, but with the Meninists (TRAs) they are bulldozer all-or-nothing. They aren't interested in nuance of compromise or understanding the genuine fears of women. If they were, they'd advocate for 'third spaces'. So, I ask you, why don't they?

Oh and nice use of caps BTW.

As well, I did some reading into the claim about sex offences. It appears you are erroneously citing a sweedish study which found a male pattern of offending continued but didn't specifically look at sex crimes.

Being a minority is not a get out of jail free card

We need to understand why certain minorities seem to exhibit more wrong behaviour

In the case of race for example it's a mixture of poverty and policing bias and judicial racism that leads to a simple association of race and crime being detectable ( for clarity that means it's not actually race makes you more likely to offend but it does make you more likely to be convicted)

What are the mitigating circumstances/confounding factors to account for the apparent disproportionate number of trans sex offenders ?

Because it's all white people being professionally offended on behalf of other races etc.

Take the whole Latinx thing for example. Hispanic people hate it and have been very verbal about it and yet white people still harp on about how their own gender based language is offensive.

@buttercuplizzy

Because its the epitome of virtual signalling: do as I say, not as I do.

It is borderline Orwellian it its beliefs. Re-writing history and language to push its regressive ideology and 'cancelling' anyone who doesn't swallow the narrative. They have zero tolerance and believe in 'one' truth.

It also isn't about making the world a better place. It is regressive in all ways. It paints a picture of inclusively, but scratch the surface and it isn't.

This.

Can I ask which party you think is least racist?

See my post about the utterly infuriating 'you are either with us or against us' mentality v its a bit more complicated than that.

All the major parties have demonstrated different types of racism in the last 5 years.

Which is the really disappointing thing.

I don't want to get into 'that type of racism is less serious' type nonsense.

@JohnHuffam1812

Oh and nice use of caps BTW.

As well, I did some reading into the claim about sex offences. It appears you are erroneously citing a sweedish study which found a male pattern of offending continued but didn't specifically look at sex crimes.

Yes, fancy a woman using caps to emphasise, in a battle where her very safety is concerned....

The study was UK and clearly was about sex crimes.

[quote JohnHuffam1812]@HoardingSamphireSaurus yet this is what is being reported.

Lots of excuses appear to be coming from you.

The people who complained are not to be believed then.

OK.[/quote]
And the woman who says that what she is reported as having said is incorrect?

Is she to be believed?

If you search for the previous threads you will see that if you only take what everyone there agree happened or was said you can plainly see what happened. A woman said biology matters to a group of people some of whom found that triggering. That's it.

Feelings were hurt when a choreographer told dancers that she was putting on a piece that plays with sex and gender. A piece that requires dancers to dance to their best, sex based differences being key to many dance moves. A piece that in today's light explores sex and gender.

And for that she was forced to apologise, which she had already done, but did so again. Which wasn't enough for reasons. She was censured by the board of the company that bore her name and felt it necessary to resign. And then was rebuked for doing that because it made those who had complained look bad, ruining their careers.

That is newly qualified dancers with no work experience wrecking the reputation of a woman whose dance career is based on exploring the real and sociological based differences between men and women, crying that their actions have had ramifications for themselves, as well as her.

That's basically it. She spoke about biological differences, feelings were hurt and everyone felt the consequences.

Go and look up the proportion of male sex offenders , female sex offenders, transgender sex offenders

( uk )

there may be issues to do with how data is gathered that mean the transgender sex offenders are over represented)

It may also be that the judiciary discriminate against transgender people

It's odd isn't it that black people often use their over representation in prison to demonstrate discrimination in action , whilst TRA seem to want to obsfucste it )

As trans people are more likely to be attacked than other groups do you think a third space is wise? Wouldn't it just attract more attacks?

When you work out that trans people make up about 0.5 percent of the population and then half are transmen and transwomen, the risks and liklihood of anything happening are ridiculously low.

Even the links that have been given show this.

Being a minority is not a get out of jail free card

Of course it's not!! It's the opposite. At uni my white friends used to carry the weed incase we got stopped - less chance of them getting life for it than me!

@JohnHuffam1812

"Many do" yet your statistics don't prove that there are many at all or that the sex offenders who are trans used their status to attack anyone.

But its nice to see that you can dismiss a whole group based on the behaviour of a minority.

Just one. Surely just one is too many?

How many women hurt by men who do use trans as a cover us too many for you?

Just one is usually enough for safeguarding. Except when the minority in question is men who use 'being trans' as their cover. Then, somehow, that becomes something else.

@JohnHuffam1812

As trans people are more likely to be attacked than other groups do you think a third space is wise? Wouldn't it just attract more attacks?

When you work out that trans people make up about 0.5 percent of the population and then half are transmen and transwomen, the risks and liklihood of anything happening are ridiculously low.

Even the links that have been given show this.

Wait. First you say they are 'more likely to be attacked than other groups' (patently false)

and now you say the 'risks of anything happening are ridiculously low.

Make up your mind.

What we do know, is per proportion of trans people, the risks of assaults against women are ridiculously extremely high. Both in risk, and ACTUAL ATTACKS. Even the links I've posted have overwhelmingly proven this beyond any reasonable doubt.

found a male pattern of offending continued but didn't specifically look at sex crimes.

Why would you think it would be different from other male people, making this specific group of male people less of a risk to women than the rest of their sex? What is the basis for this?

It's odd isn't it that black people often use their over representation in prison to demonstrate discrimination in action , whilst TRA seem to want to obsfucste it

This follows as logically as 'It's odd isn't it that lemons are spicy therefore oddly blueish whilst kangaroos don't have humps to carry water like they do in Alaska'. In fact my sentence makes more sense.

@JohnHuffam1812

As trans people are more likely to be attacked than other groups do you think a third space is wise? Wouldn't it just attract more attacks?

When you work out that trans people make up about 0.5 percent of the population and then half are transmen and transwomen, the risks and liklihood of anything happening are ridiculously low.

Even the links that have been given show this.

Oh dear god. Here we go again?

So third spaces are dangerous for transwomen and so they simply must be able to use female spaces - regardless of what women want or the statistics in increased violence against women in such mixed sex spaces?

How about men - educate yourselves; stop being violent ?

As trans people are more likely to be attacked than other groups

Which other groups? Please evidence this sweeping statement.

Ahhh ye olde trans ppl are more likely to be attacked than other groups

Cite your evidence using data on trans ppl only (not lumped in with LGB) ppl that trans ppl are more likely to be attacked than other groups

Also bear in mind that whoever is being attacked, it will be men doing the attacking

Violent Men are the problem here not women speaking up for their rights