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elderly father on dating sites

123 replies

AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 19:19

I'm struggling with this one, and would be grateful for alternative views.

My mother died 10 weeks ago, it was quite traumatic and we're all a bit floored. I miss her dreadfully.

So does my father, who has been coping OK but not particularly well - they'd been married for 59 years and he'd never lifted a finger domestically, so is (as you can imagine) now struggling with things like washing machines, boiling potatoes, use-by dates, and how to turn the oven on. It suited them while it lasted, so it is what it is.

However, while he's clearly devastated by her death, he told me yesterday he'd been on dating sites for the last 2 weeks, so only 8 weeks after she died. I'm distraught. It was just me and him for Christmas Day and he spent nearly 4 hours on his own in the study on these sites and occasionally calling me in to ask my opinion of his interchanges over emails, and the pictures of women he thought looked possible. Otherwise I was sitting by myself while he browsed women 20 years younger than him (he's 80 in January).

He's not worldly wise, despite his career success, and has always been the dreamer in the marriage. I was horrified by him doing this let alone telling me some of the profiles he was engaging with. All the classic signs of fishing, with non-committal 'hey babe' type comments in reply to his conversation, missing definite and indefinite articles 'I go to pub this afternoon', and general, you know, fucking dodginess of fake profiles on the net. He bought into all of it.

He's stubborn as fuck so I didn't try and dissuade him from this, just told a few stories about friends who've been scammed via OLD, and a few generalisations about the types of tricks that are played. It's kind of sunk in, in that he's had a go at dropped the dodgier conversations. But he's still determined that this is how he will find companionship to solve the loss of my mother, and that he ideally would get lucky before his 80th birthday. Less than 28 bloody days' time.

So apologies for all that background. I don't know what to do for the best to either guide him or dissuade him, and I'm still grieving so I don't trust my own reactions at the moment. Also, because we're very different - when my husband died that was it for me, not even wanted a date for the past god know how many years. So basically:

YABU: everybody grieves their own way, the poor bastard is just desperate for a bit of comfort and you're having a catastrophic failure of imagination not to understand why he might do this, just because you wouldn't

YANBU: it's my bloody mother just 10 weeks gone, and leaving me sitting on my own while he browses replacement women on Christmas Day is somewhat beyond a grief reaction

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Josieannathe2nd · 26/12/2021 19:26

I think that sounds incredibly hard for you, but there are some sorts of people who just don’t like to be alone. Often they are people who have had long happy marriages therefore are optimistic at their chances of finding new love too! It’s inappropriate that he’s asking you for your opinion but if he is going to OLD is there someone a bit more distant that could advise him as it’s got a lot of potential to go wrong! Or, could you steer him towards U3A or other groups where he night make friends or meet someone a bit more organically?

Dora33 · 26/12/2021 19:38

I'm so sorry for the loss of your mother. While I have known some men look for a new partner quite soon after their wives death, I would raise my eyebrows at 8 weeks.
If it wasn't for covid, I would encourage your Dad to meet up with friends.
Next time your Dad asks for help with his dating apps, may be explain that you are too uncomfortable to help. For him to do that the 1st Christmas so soon after your mum's death, is very insensitive.

Hankunamatata · 26/12/2021 19:43

Yikes. That's bloody hard. Could he afford a house keeper type person? Someone who do his shopping, 1 hot meal day, washing etc and get someone to clean?

Hankunamatata · 26/12/2021 19:44

Help at home might get him to move away from dating sites

Thehouseofmarvels · 26/12/2021 19:44

Is he willing to consider ladies 75-85? If he does remarry a 60 year old then they will be faced with being his carer potentially in the next 5 years. Or his he specifically looking for someone likely fit enough to do the domestic work and care for him?

fallfallfall · 26/12/2021 19:46

It’s unlikely he’s looking for more than a maid/housekeeper.

Elieza · 26/12/2021 19:49

He’s probably just lonely and missing your mum and also needs a housekeeper.

So he just jumps to the conclusion that online dating kills all the birds with the one stone.

He probably hasn’t even processed his grief yet. Perhaps he doesn’t even realise that.

All you can do is try and keep your eye on him and make sure, like all scams, that he realises people can appear to be polite, well spoken, respectable and nice just desperately needing money for an operation or something, but they are likely to be professional scammers.

Approachability and decentness don’t equal nice in the world of old if they ask for money. Would he get in touch with you if a really nice lady asked for money for some apparently genuine reason? Or would he just think I’ll just give her some money and transfer it over? If the latter it’s a bit of a worry.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 26/12/2021 19:52

If you take a look over at Gransnet you'll find the men don't spend a long time alone, they are far more likely to move on.
I think he needs a houseekeeper.

Thehouseofmarvels · 26/12/2021 19:53

My partner's mother ( we are no contact) tried to date a 90 year old widower when she was in her 70's. She had come to the end of an interest only morgage and got an extension but at the time thought she was going to loose her house. We strongly suspect she would have tried to get him to leave her the house. She has a history of manipulating wills in her favour. The last we heard she was dating a man also in his seventies but with serrious health problems and estranged from his only child. If one of these 60 year olds ends up marrying him I hope they would not have any similar motive!

PartyPrawnRingGames · 26/12/2021 19:55

Honestly OP I think you should tell him you find it inappropriate and disrespectful to your mum. I'm not saying he should never see another woman but this is just distasteful and unfair to you.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 19:55

All very sensible points.

I've suggested a housekeeper, but what he really wants is a wife/companion/facilitator. Someone who will engage with the mundane day to day chat in common, as well as provide clean socks out of thin air.

I did suggest meeting an actual person in real life through a local group would be more likely to uncover someone he could actually chat to. But you're right, he thinks OLD is the short-cut to that plus all the services.

He showed me one of his email exchanges in which he went, literally, from "hi, do you have any more photos", to "you could always come and live here!" in just THREE emails. No phone call, no meet up. I'm scared for him.

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arethereanyleftatall · 26/12/2021 19:58

And, equally, I'm scared for the women he's inviting in to his life.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 19:59

Interesting that a number of you seem to think this is not unheard of. Perhaps I'm as unworldly as he is in my own way!

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 20:03

@arethereanyleftatall

And, equally, I'm scared for the women he's inviting in to his life.
Yes. This would not be a marvelous future for any woman, starting from where he is now. I love him, but he has very little to offer back right now (understandably), aside from money.
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whatisheupto · 26/12/2021 20:08

Gosh poor you OP. That's awful. Could you suggest to him that you will manage it for him and find someone for him? Then you can screen them and filter out the baddies?! And quickly introduce him to some nice ladies so he doesn't get bored waiting? Maybe pay for one of the better agencies?
Also please beware... sounds like he would easy fall into one of these situations where when he dies (sorry), the new partner takes all his inheritance and leaves you with nothing. It seems to happen rather a lot!

Youdoyoutoday · 26/12/2021 20:08

I would have gone fucking mad at him!!
My parents were married for 40 years and mum died about 18 months ago. My dad is still crying over her.
I think your dad can do whatever he wants but to parade it around in front of you is beyond insensitive!!

pigsDOfly · 26/12/2021 20:09

This must be very hard for you OP.

I'm a woman, now in my early 70s, who tried old about 10 years ago.

It's surprising how many older people seems to want to do what your father is doing and get into dating really soon after losing a long term partner. It really isn't that unusual.

I met a woman through a man I was dating, both widowed, they and their spouses had been friends for years, and she had started looking online for dates just 10 weeks after her husband died.

My main concern for your father, would be the danger of him becoming the victim of scammers. So for that reason alone I think, in your shoes, I'd be keeping a very close eye on what he's doing and who he's talking to online.

And as pps have said. perhaps try to steer him in the direction of trying to find meet up and friendship groups. There's a lot of clubs for older people.

Most of them nowadays, thankfully, are not dominated by bingo and Vera Lynn sing songs but are full of the kinds of people who want to get out and have a bit of fun and a social life.

sleepyhoglet · 26/12/2021 20:11

I agree that he is in danger of being scammed. He sounds desperate to get back what he had with your mum and that is not going to happen on a dating website. If he has money, a housekeeper is certainly better. Or even an ad in a local paper etc for a live in lady companion between a certain age with salary type thing.

CupCalamity · 26/12/2021 20:11

He sounds lonely and struggling to see his future life without a woman in it. Similar thing happened when my step brother's grandad was widowed, and he did move in with another lady after about 3 months. Hopefully your dad takes kindly to you pointing out security concerns at least.

pigsDOfly · 26/12/2021 20:12

It might also be a good idea to point out to him OP, that very few older women are going to want to slot into the sort of life he had with your mother.

I know a fair number of older women and I can't think of any of them that would want to get married in order to become an old man's housekeeper.

MrsMigginsEggNogShoppe · 26/12/2021 20:17

YANBU. My DM got stung by getting caught up in an OLD scam to the tune of £12k. She was fortunate and the scammers were caught, tried in court and imprisoned and she got her money back. I'd be very wary of anyone looking for a relationship with a vulnerable older person now. I hope you manage to have a sensible chat with your DF about it.

SecretDoor · 26/12/2021 20:17

How much money does he have? He is at risk of losing it all. Make sure you take any personal effects of your Mums away as you may lose them if a stranger moves in.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 20:20

Hmm, he's 300 miles away so not so easy to get more involved in the filtering process. I do visit every couple of weeks, and call every day, so I guess continuing to show an interest is more likely to elicit information I could then follow up on.

He's not really up for making much of an in-person effort - he's not joined a single group in the three years since they moved. And at present, he's very much of the mindset that people should be running after him.

My brother's visiting tomorrow and will continue the "but what would be REALLY great would be a live-in housekeeper" conversation. And it is loneliness that is the problem. Whether he thinks a online order for a replacement wife-bot is the only answer to that remains to be seen.

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UserBot99 · 26/12/2021 20:20

I feel for you. I'd be gutted at the disrespect to my mother and also, afraid for him but also mad at him!

Just hope that nobody really engages.........

NandorTheRelentless · 26/12/2021 20:22

I know your dm died so recently, and you said it was traumatic, but had it been going on for a while? Maybe he had already done the grieving?

People mourn at different rates, and thinking that he has not been alone for at least 59 years (longer than I personally have been alive) its probably freaking him out.

He's also probably thinking that if he doesnt get someone soon he will be too late, and end up alone for the rest of his life

If you wanted advice, I would suggest gently supporting him and make sure he knows to talk to you before sending any money to anyone, or agrees to meet anyone?