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elderly father on dating sites

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 19:19

I'm struggling with this one, and would be grateful for alternative views.

My mother died 10 weeks ago, it was quite traumatic and we're all a bit floored. I miss her dreadfully.

So does my father, who has been coping OK but not particularly well - they'd been married for 59 years and he'd never lifted a finger domestically, so is (as you can imagine) now struggling with things like washing machines, boiling potatoes, use-by dates, and how to turn the oven on. It suited them while it lasted, so it is what it is.

However, while he's clearly devastated by her death, he told me yesterday he'd been on dating sites for the last 2 weeks, so only 8 weeks after she died. I'm distraught. It was just me and him for Christmas Day and he spent nearly 4 hours on his own in the study on these sites and occasionally calling me in to ask my opinion of his interchanges over emails, and the pictures of women he thought looked possible. Otherwise I was sitting by myself while he browsed women 20 years younger than him (he's 80 in January).

He's not worldly wise, despite his career success, and has always been the dreamer in the marriage. I was horrified by him doing this let alone telling me some of the profiles he was engaging with. All the classic signs of fishing, with non-committal 'hey babe' type comments in reply to his conversation, missing definite and indefinite articles 'I go to pub this afternoon', and general, you know, fucking dodginess of fake profiles on the net. He bought into all of it.

He's stubborn as fuck so I didn't try and dissuade him from this, just told a few stories about friends who've been scammed via OLD, and a few generalisations about the types of tricks that are played. It's kind of sunk in, in that he's had a go at dropped the dodgier conversations. But he's still determined that this is how he will find companionship to solve the loss of my mother, and that he ideally would get lucky before his 80th birthday. Less than 28 bloody days' time.

So apologies for all that background. I don't know what to do for the best to either guide him or dissuade him, and I'm still grieving so I don't trust my own reactions at the moment. Also, because we're very different - when my husband died that was it for me, not even wanted a date for the past god know how many years. So basically:

YABU: everybody grieves their own way, the poor bastard is just desperate for a bit of comfort and you're having a catastrophic failure of imagination not to understand why he might do this, just because you wouldn't

YANBU: it's my bloody mother just 10 weeks gone, and leaving me sitting on my own while he browses replacement women on Christmas Day is somewhat beyond a grief reaction

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 20:22
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AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 20:24

@pigsDOfly

It might also be a good idea to point out to him OP, that very few older women are going to want to slot into the sort of life he had with your mother.

I know a fair number of older women and I can't think of any of them that would want to get married in order to become an old man's housekeeper.

Grin

thank you for my first laugh. Any suggestion he may not be catch of the day would be met with fury. And then shutdown.

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UserBot99 · 26/12/2021 20:25

I think, wish him good luck with all the lovely ladies.........

From behind a cushion.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 20:31

@NandorTheRelentless

I know your dm died so recently, and you said it was traumatic, but had it been going on for a while? Maybe he had already done the grieving?

People mourn at different rates, and thinking that he has not been alone for at least 59 years (longer than I personally have been alive) its probably freaking him out.

He's also probably thinking that if he doesnt get someone soon he will be too late, and end up alone for the rest of his life

If you wanted advice, I would suggest gently supporting him and make sure he knows to talk to you before sending any money to anyone, or agrees to meet anyone?

No, it was fairly quick and entirely horrible. Diagnosis in May, dead in October. He is still reeling, both from the sudden end, and the ghastly painful manner of it.

He has said he'll run any potentials past me before he gets too involved, but the truth is he won't if he doesn't feel like it. It will be a fait accompli. I have warned him about the money requests being a red flat, and honestly, it was all news to him!

I do want advice. I just have a horrible feeling there isn't much more than try to keep an eye on him, and keep encouraging him to tell me about any progress.

I don't want this to be happening, which I guess is also an entirely natural and childish reaction to people's real messy emotions.

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arethereanyleftatall · 26/12/2021 20:32

As harsh as it sounds to you, or indeed to him - the only reason any women is going to be interested in him is his money. (And certainly one twenty years younger). Literally that's it.
No other reason a woman would be a free housekeeper for an 80 yo.
If his pride/ego won't let him see that, then, I don't know.
He possibly thinks it's worth it though?

BringUsSomeFrigginPudding · 26/12/2021 20:32

You have my complete sympathy! I think I'd be quietly furious with him, as much as I'd worry what he might be letting himself in for. I know we all grieve differently, but it seems disrespectfully soon. Even if he thinks it's not too soon for him, ideally he'd understand how you might be feeling and be more sensitive.

InsanityRocks · 26/12/2021 20:36

That must be so hard for you OP, I'm so sorry for your loss. I think it might be because your mum's death is so traumatic for him that he is desperately trying to fill his mind and thoughts with someone else. Awful for you, but not coming from a place of disrespect from him.
I do think he is extremely vulnerable at the moment, and other damaged people will sense that, so, if you can, steer him towards other occupations, something that might be equally absorbing for him. He need something to focus on while he processes the shock and begins to allow himself to grieve.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 20:37

@arethereanyleftatall

As harsh as it sounds to you, or indeed to him - the only reason any women is going to be interested in him is his money. (And certainly one twenty years younger). Literally that's it. No other reason a woman would be a free housekeeper for an 80 yo. If his pride/ego won't let him see that, then, I don't know. He possibly thinks it's worth it though?
Maybe he is considering something more... transactional. I wouldn't have thought it, but then I wouldn't have thought this either, so who knows.
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Allsorts1 · 26/12/2021 20:37

I disagree with PP that you should tell him you think it’s disrespectful. The priority here is really keeping him safe from scammers. I think if you show you’re on board in theory, then he will be MUCH more likely to take direction and be influenced to make safer choices. If he knows the very idea upsets you then he might dismiss your genuine concerns as just trying to get him to not date.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 20:39

Thank you all so much.

Genuinely.

Considered and thoughtful responses - you've all massively helped me take a step back, which I needed.

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arethereanyleftatall · 26/12/2021 20:40

Well, in his mind, he can't take his money with him. He wants a housekeeper and he wants company. You can pay for a housekeeper, this is the only way to pay for both.

2bazookas · 26/12/2021 20:41

Sorry to hear this.

Is it time for him to assign power of attorney to you? Then you could at least protect him to some extent from any tart trying to empty his bank account /move in.

Jasmine11 · 26/12/2021 20:41

Sorry for your loss OP, the last thing you need to do while you are mourning is also worry about your father being caught by a scammer or someone unscrupulous. I know of a man a bit younger than your father who met someone on a dating site after his wife died, moved her in, and changed his will in her favour cutting out his children whose mother thought they would get all her money/possessions eventually. The children didn't get a penny. Sorry to bring it to money, but worth thinking about when dealing with this situation.

HunterGatherer · 26/12/2021 20:41

This is so sad and I'm not going to judge him, he is clearly out of his mind with grief and loneliness which is affecting his judgement.
Trouble is, he is very much at risk of financial abuse. Would he move closer to your family OP? Or into sheltered accom where there is more of a community spirit?

arethereanyleftatall · 26/12/2021 20:43

@Allsorts1

I disagree with PP that you should tell him you think it’s disrespectful. The priority here is really keeping him safe from scammers. I think if you show you’re on board in theory, then he will be MUCH more likely to take direction and be influenced to make safer choices. If he knows the very idea upsets you then he might dismiss your genuine concerns as just trying to get him to not date.
But...if he's going for 60 year olds...every single one of them is going to be a scammer, after his money.
AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 20:44

Oh, I'm not going to contradict him! That's the iced up black run route to being ignored.

Finding other occupations is a good suggestion, but tough. My mother had the most influence, but even she couldn't get him out of the house on his own errands in the last few years. I'm going to have a think about possibilities here though.

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HollyChristmas · 26/12/2021 20:47

As someone who works in the hospice profession . It's a well known fact that men start to look for a new women much sooner than a women looks for a man.
Rather than old , perhaps suggest he joins a bereavement group that meets up . He's more likely to find a genuine lady friend there .
It's perfectly understandable that you are horrified , but elderly men do not cope well with the loss of a partner . He is trying his luck in hoping for one 20 years his junior ! You can't knock a trier !
I'm sorry for the loss of your mum.

Yummypumpkin · 26/12/2021 20:48

I think this is a grief reaction and in a way (not to ignore the impact on you) it's preferable in its optimism and practicality than him sinking into a deep depression or drinking.

I'd suggest this might blow over.

No advice for you other than at 80 you do need to seize the moment and it is perhaps a tribute to how happy he was with your mum that he wants to try and replicate that (although I appreciate it does not feel.luke that to you).

NeverEndingFireworks · 26/12/2021 20:48

from a slightly different angle... once you get to a certain age, and lose a much loved spouse, then you realise the importance of just living in the moment.

my FIL died and MIL was VERY lonely. Suddenly she was a spare part, didn't get invited to dinner parties etc (they lived that kind of life). She was introduced to a man of a similar age, who had just lost his partner, within 6 months of FIL's death. Both in their early 80's. She and the new man became an item. Her DD was FURIOUS that she was not still grieving FIL and refused to ever see the new man. She and new man were together for 10yrs before he died. Her DD never met him.

priorities change as you age.

thefourgp · 26/12/2021 20:49

@AthelstaneTheUnready please read this article.

I doubt there’s much you can do to stop it but if he does remarry (and if he’s using online dating to contact women 20 years younger there’s a good chance he’ll hook a gold digger) you’ll lose all rights and inheritance to someone he’s just met. I read about a poor woman who’s parent wanted a catholic funeral and the new wife got him cremated without any family present.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/03/the-guardian-view-on-predatory-marriage-new-safeguards-are-needed

AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 20:50

Oddly, my mother did start work on him to arrange an LPA with me for after she'd gone. He agreed in principle, so I might bring that back up in the next few weeks. Christ, I wonder if she suspected it might go this way...

He's very welcome to blow all the money he has on fast cars, instruments, whatever. It feels irredeemably grubby to blow it on fast women though, especially since the risk is he almost certainly wouldn't get his part of the transaction, the companionship.

However, I'm going too far there, I don't know if he's thought further than "! can find an ideal woman here, look! they all like the things I said I liked!"

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 20:55

Holly, Yummy, Never, is there some fecking Grown Ups Seminar you all went to and I wasn't invited? Grin

You're absolutely right. That is how I should be thinking. With as much safeguarding in place as I can manage.

I like the idea of a bereavement group - I'll see if I can find anything and suggest it, thank you.

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Yummypumpkin · 26/12/2021 20:58

Oh it's only because we aren't going through it. If my Dad did this I'd go off the scale...luckily his cunning plan, much articulated, is to wait until a beautiful widow buys the house next door and make his move. The house next door is not for sale.

floppybit · 26/12/2021 20:59

At @HollyChristmas sad, men do do tend to go and look for a replacement wifebot shockingly quickly after their wife dies. I actually know of two elderly gentlemen who picked up their new partners at their wife's funeral!! Men do seem to be built very differently and I can totally understand why you are so upset, I would be feeling exactly the same.

Hankunamatata · 26/12/2021 21:01

I'd be stunned if parent did this but I'm also entirely cynical. If he wont consider housekeeper perhaps a dating agency where you have to pay to be part of. Perhaps less chance of scammers? I dont know