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elderly father on dating sites

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 19:19

I'm struggling with this one, and would be grateful for alternative views.

My mother died 10 weeks ago, it was quite traumatic and we're all a bit floored. I miss her dreadfully.

So does my father, who has been coping OK but not particularly well - they'd been married for 59 years and he'd never lifted a finger domestically, so is (as you can imagine) now struggling with things like washing machines, boiling potatoes, use-by dates, and how to turn the oven on. It suited them while it lasted, so it is what it is.

However, while he's clearly devastated by her death, he told me yesterday he'd been on dating sites for the last 2 weeks, so only 8 weeks after she died. I'm distraught. It was just me and him for Christmas Day and he spent nearly 4 hours on his own in the study on these sites and occasionally calling me in to ask my opinion of his interchanges over emails, and the pictures of women he thought looked possible. Otherwise I was sitting by myself while he browsed women 20 years younger than him (he's 80 in January).

He's not worldly wise, despite his career success, and has always been the dreamer in the marriage. I was horrified by him doing this let alone telling me some of the profiles he was engaging with. All the classic signs of fishing, with non-committal 'hey babe' type comments in reply to his conversation, missing definite and indefinite articles 'I go to pub this afternoon', and general, you know, fucking dodginess of fake profiles on the net. He bought into all of it.

He's stubborn as fuck so I didn't try and dissuade him from this, just told a few stories about friends who've been scammed via OLD, and a few generalisations about the types of tricks that are played. It's kind of sunk in, in that he's had a go at dropped the dodgier conversations. But he's still determined that this is how he will find companionship to solve the loss of my mother, and that he ideally would get lucky before his 80th birthday. Less than 28 bloody days' time.

So apologies for all that background. I don't know what to do for the best to either guide him or dissuade him, and I'm still grieving so I don't trust my own reactions at the moment. Also, because we're very different - when my husband died that was it for me, not even wanted a date for the past god know how many years. So basically:

YABU: everybody grieves their own way, the poor bastard is just desperate for a bit of comfort and you're having a catastrophic failure of imagination not to understand why he might do this, just because you wouldn't

YANBU: it's my bloody mother just 10 weeks gone, and leaving me sitting on my own while he browses replacement women on Christmas Day is somewhat beyond a grief reaction

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saltinesandcoffeecups · 26/12/2021 21:07

Sorry for your loss. I can imagine going through your mother’s death, then turning around and having to deal with your father’s dating scene must feel like you’ve got whiplash.

My advice FWIW, Tell your dad you support him but you want him to be safe. Send him a few articles about OLD scams from trusted (to him) sources and ask him to reach out to you if anything goes south.

Otherwise know that your grief is going to be different than his grief but that doesn’t mean either of you loved her any less than you do.

PatriotCanes · 26/12/2021 21:07

My DF was dating within a fortnight of my mother dying. However she'd spent years drinking herself to death and not having to spend all his time watching over her meant he could finally go out. His first date was from a woman who he knew vaguely already who called to offer her condolences and asked him out in the same call. People like that do exist Shock She was a big U3A fan which was her downfall as he joined loads of their clubs and after 6 months he upgraded to a less grabby girlfriend Grin They are both very independent and they do loads of stuff together and support each other with the stuff they do separately. Had he been 15 years older and less capable around the house? Who knows. Perhaps your dad doesn't care about the potential financial scamming, he simply wants the housekeeping burden gone. A younger woman would do a better job than an 80 year old. Perhaps it's that simple.

totallytotalled · 26/12/2021 21:09

I have just had this exact conversation with my FIL he said he's been sending money to help a 20 something year old set up in a flat.
It saddens me and disappoints me that he can be so flattered by this attention.

I just hope that he sees sense- I don't know what to do about it either OP

BarefootHippieChick · 26/12/2021 21:10

@UserBot99

I think, wish him good luck with all the lovely ladies.........

From behind a cushion.

This made me laugh! I think it's a valid point though. As awful as it sounds, I don't think ladies in their 60s or early 70s will be too interested in a man of nearly 80. Its quite a big age difference when you take possible health problems, interests etc into account. And they won't be sticking around if they realise he's more interested in a maid! My biggest concern would definitely be some unscrupulous woman scamming him, but I'm not sure how you can realistically stop that from happening.

astoundedgoat · 26/12/2021 21:13

He is so vulnerable to being scammed here. His cognitive functions and risk assessment are not what they once were and it just takes one “nice” lady with fair to moderate English to fleece him of everything he has. To be honest, from your description it doesn’t sound like it would be especially tricky.

Can you talk to him frankly about his financial security & the practical risks he takes with remarriage? I’m sure he’s lovely, but nobody is marrying an octogenarian for the romantic thrills, and not many sensible women are yearning to fold an old man’s underwear & listen to his stories about that time somebody did him wrong at work 35 years ago.

astoundedgoat · 26/12/2021 21:15

I don’t know where fair to moderate English came from there. I was going somewhere else entirely & lost the thread of my thought. It’s been a long day.

I just mean it doesn’t sound like it’s would be difficult to hoodwink him.

dancingbymyself · 26/12/2021 21:17

It is very, very common - statistically widowed men find a new partner much more quickly than women.

I think it would be reasonable to tell him it's incredibly distasteful to talk about it with you just 8 weeks after losing your mother. I would also try and find someone who is in a position to help 'review' the women he's going after so that he doesn't do anything stupid...

tara66 · 26/12/2021 21:17

Although they are supposed to be hard to resell perhaps he would consider buying into a retirement community - many have cleaners, gardeners, restaurants, lounges, pools and other people who might be friendly? He may meet a lady there who did not want to take advantage of him? At his age - why should he wait?

ivykaty44 · 26/12/2021 21:20

Sorry for your loss

Could you convince your father to put an advert in the lady, for a look ve in housekeeper & companion type to look after him until he has success on online dating ?

seething1234 · 26/12/2021 21:22

After my mother died my father got into a relationship really quickly, within a couple of months. He was married over 40 years and my mother did everything in the home.
He was always out and she was always at home with meals ready and the house warm . It's very difficult for me and I'm annoyed at his neediness and actually think he bloody pathetic. But on the other hand the loneliness of an empty house must be so difficult. He was with us yesterday and he said it's the first time he had a lie in on chrisgmas morning in his own empty house and he could imagined hearing us ( his kids ) opening presents and the sound of a full house. I'm so sad for him and his loneliness and am trying to be compassionate. My way of dealing with it is to bury my head in the sand a bit, I try not to get too involved, I really don't think it's my place to tell him what to do but it hurts and it's difficult with my mother's side of the family when they visit us.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 21:24

Good suggestions, but part of it is that he refuses to acknowledge his age. He absolutely thinks he still has it, or, at least, has exaggerated his capacity on his profile.

AstoundedGoat, it's like you live there. But that is not how he would view his repetitive fascinating conversations about what happened in 1963.

That's part of the problem, he won't recognise a scam because he'll believe the guff as only his due. Very healthy self-esteem...

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 21:25

sorry, meant to say, which means any attempt at caution by pointing out the flattery may not be real, would not be successful.

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BarefootHippieChick · 26/12/2021 21:25

I'm now thinking of all the widowed people I know and realising it's only the men who've moved on to other relationships. The only widowed woman I can think of who has is one who was widowed very young. I never realised it was so common for men.

YouknowwhoUR · 26/12/2021 21:40

I'm glad you've posted about this.

My DSIS died last year and I have been upset by the behaviour of my BIL since she died. The circumstances are outing. But even before the funeral, he was eyeing up a replacement.

A lot has come to light since she passed that he was what MN would call a cock lodger. He did little to care for DN, wasn't working for years before DS got ill and basically DS wore herself down with stress and anxiety trying to juggle everything. So of course, he needed someone else to replace DS because he can't cope by himself.

I can't work out if my anger is at him and what he has done, a general anger that my sister was taken before her time or that if I had known how bad it was I would have told DS to get out her marriage years before. It's probably everything I guess. It does sting though and it does just make me feel like he never cared for DS.

But I have to keep it inside to maintain contact with DN.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 21:41

Well, many thanks for all the measured views. You've given me some really useful suggestions, and a bit of a head wobble. I'll just have to do what I can to keep him safe without alienating him.

That's not to say I'm not still fucking horrified.

Thanks again, I do really appreciate the insights and the compassion for him, and will try to hold these near the front of my mind.

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 26/12/2021 21:43

Sorry, YouKnow, cross posted. That's a terrible situation for you. Flowers

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RoyalFamilyFan · 26/12/2021 21:46

@2bazookas

Sorry to hear this.

Is it time for him to assign power of attorney to you? Then you could at least protect him to some extent from any tart trying to empty his bank account /move in.

This is a misunderstanding of POA.
AnnabelC · 26/12/2021 21:50

When my Mum died who was my best friend also. My father drank really heavily for 6 months and then met a lady who he ended up with for the next 20 years. He lived in London and followed this Lady to Cornwall. We hardly saw him . Long story. I was shocked at the time. He was obsessed with my Mum. Who died at 58. I still miss her.

Sorry for your lost OP.

They say woman grieve. Men replace.

Roundeartheratchriatmas · 26/12/2021 21:52

Quite honestly I’d tell him he was being an absolute fool and is likely to get scammed as the only women who will be interested in an old man that he can’t even do his own washing are women that will be after his money and that he’s not to come crying to me about it if he won’t listen.

RoyalFamilyFan · 26/12/2021 21:56

My FIL was like this. Luckily he couldn't use a computer, so confined himself to chasing women 20 years younger than him in real life, and getting knocked back. He too seemed to think younger attractive women would be desperate to be with an old man. He dismissed his adult children's concerns as them thinking he was trying to replace their mother.
He also got scammed out of various bits of money.
Besides talking to him about scammers, there isn't a great deal you can do. Focus on you.

iamloading · 26/12/2021 22:42

Hugs. Been there with my dad. My mum died of cancer almost 10 years ago, and within 3 months he had replaced her. They had been married 30 years, and from diagnosis to death was 5 months. I was beyond hurt for a long time and I don't think our relationship has ever recovered to be honest. It feels like a double blow doesn't it.
Yes I know intellectually that he was a lonely old man (also 80) but THREE BLOODY MONTHS!

Thehouseofmarvels · 26/12/2021 22:42

At the end of the day if he is unwilling to do any domestic work he may not care if things are a bit transactional. If a 60 year old did marry him and look after him it would save you having to do and care at least. If he would be willing to leave the woman his house and money in exchange it's like a bet. Lucky for her if he drops dead 2 months after the wedding. Not so much if he has dementia for ten years and ends up needing 24 hour care for the last 2.

BethAfra · 26/12/2021 23:48

Well this is a massive wake up call. I need to make a will that safeguards my kids' inheritance. Sorry to go slightly off topic OP - I have no advice that hasn't been given already - but my sincere condolences to you Flowers. You are not out of line and I too would be horrified. It sounds terribly painful at a time when you would be expecting mutual support in grief, not a swift moving on.

floppybit · 27/12/2021 01:22

@iamloading hugs to you, that must be so painful, three months is unbelievable

AuntyBumBum · 27/12/2021 02:00

This is a misunderstanding of POA.

I was thinking the same.

A POA for someone who still has capacity means that you can do things on their behalf. It doesn't stop them from doing them though.

If he wanted to send £50k by Western Union to a distressed Nigerian princess whose diamond mines need some repair work you couldn't stop him.

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