AIBU To wish that the media would ask which way people voted in the EU referendum when reporting problems of the farming and fishing industry caused by Brexit?

[Kendodd]

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-59748581.amp

Because if you voted Leave you are too stupid to be in business and don't deserve my sympathy.

@FrippEnos

I doubt it, but them the remain campaign could have made so much more of it, and most of the remainers that I know cared more about their cheap holidays than NI.

Did they care more about NI or stopping immigrants coming in?

I'll leave you all to it again, I haven't bothered to go back through my posts to see which ones were deleted but i can guess which ones they were - and it wasn't "bile" i just moved into discussing the basics in, what are still. 'sensitive' areas for discussion. And I accept that.

I plan to read all the policy, changes, etc inc the small print in regards to changes to agricultural subsidies in the UK, Over xmas, so it might take me some time. Hopefully others here will do the same before they post before 'knowledge' - I accept that I did.

Ho,ho,ho, and all that kind of thing

Total garbage about NI too, the GFA was always a major part of Brexit discussions.

Absolutely, and for me the thing which swung my vote. It was a huge achievement by Major and Blair, and one I thought impossible.

@TheHateIsNotGood

I'll leave you all to it again, I haven't bothered to go back through my posts to see which ones were deleted but i can guess which ones they were - and it wasn't "bile" i just moved into discussing the basics in, what are still. 'sensitive' areas for discussion. And I accept that.

I plan to read all the policy, changes, etc inc the small print in regards to changes to agricultural subsidies in the UK, Over xmas, so it might take me some time. Hopefully others here will do the same before they post before 'knowledge' - I accept that I did.

Ho,ho,ho, and all that kind of thing

It was bile, it’s still there because I quoted it.

Just checked back to thank derxha for providing some info. Look pumper I'm really not too concerned about your definitions, all you want is a 'scrap'.

If my post was deleted for being bile, then the one where you quoted me would have been too.

Please feel free to requote me if you feel that upset by my words, but it upsets some people whose wounds haven't completely healed yet, hence my original post was removed. I accept that and shouldn't you too?

Generally speaking the English know precious little of the history of Ireland and care even less.

@TheHateIsNotGood

Just checked back to thank derxha for providing some info. Look pumper I'm really not too concerned about your definitions, all you want is a 'scrap'.

If my post was deleted for being bile, then the one where you quoted me would have been too.

Please feel free to requote me if you feel that upset by my words, but it upsets some people whose wounds haven't completely healed yet, hence my original post was removed. I accept that and shouldn't you too?

Or just go back and look yourself? It’s the one about murdering the neighbours in NI, I started it ‘I expect this will be deleted’ so you should spot it no bother. Or, don’t be a coward: share your views again.

The farming vote is estimated to roughly reflect the national vote on brexit. The farming press was heavily promoting remain.

As with anything else Brexit related generally the vocal farming supporters of brexit posted widely on it, put posters up, put up signs in their fields and the remainers.... didn't.

For those farmers like me who farm in upland sheep farming systems brexit is a disaster and we absolutely did not vote for it.

Farmers like me are the 'tributary' at the stream/river of food production. For many years we have provided produce to the next person in the chain below the cost of production because subsidies meant we could afford to.

Subsidies allow Farmers to provide cheap food. Take them away and food becomes more expensive.

Pumperthepumper

Did they care more about NI or stopping immigrants coming in?

I couldn't tell you, I haven't taken a survey of them. Nor would I presume to answer for them. Unlike many remainers here.

@Peregrina

Generally speaking the English know precious little of the history of Ireland and care even less.

This is pretty much the truth. but then most will only know of the versions put forward from the 70s.

@FrippEnos

Pumperthepumper

Did they care more about NI or stopping immigrants coming in?

I couldn't tell you, I haven't taken a survey of them. Nor would I presume to answer for them. Unlike many remainers here.

Probably the immigrants though. Remember when they put them on the side of the bus? What a laugh that was!

Oh wait, I’m remembering wrong - it was a poster. An anti-immigrant poster. Such japes!

The bus was the lie about the NHS.

Some analysts from the BBC

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59761292

Again, love to know how people adversely (or positively) effected voted.
I know one poster up thread said her work is booming because of Brexit, didn't say what she did though. I did wonder if her job is assisting business moves from the UK to the Netherlands as I've heard that's a real boom industry.

I am a small business owner who voted leave. I have at times thought my god why did I do that because it does make importing such a painful longer process and it is more expensive.

However then we had the pandemic; and thats exactly the kind of scenario I want a fully autonomous accountable government in. Sure they made mistakes, but its their mistakes and they cant pass the buck to the EU.

Lifes not black and white. Its when you choose your paint colours and theirs a series of greys and off whites which look good under some lights and slightly grim under others. Its hard to get it bang on even with every possible option. Its impossible to be perfect when you have only two colours to choose from.

Funny isn't it how we look at things differently. For me, covid is exactly the time we want as much international cooperation as possible rather an an every man for himself and trample the weak underfoot approach.

Sure they made mistakes, but its their mistakes and they cant pass the buck to the EU.

But don't worry. This Government always passes the buck - with Covid it's to the general public for not obeying the rules, although with this the Govt have been well and truly rumbled because they don't obey the rules they made either.

Funny isn't it how we look at things differently. For me, covid is exactly the time we want as much international cooperation as possible rather an an every man for himself and trample the weak underfoot approach.

It is interesting isn't it! I consider diversity an asset so I like to think our differing views a strength of our society rather than a downfall.

I am sure once things settle down we can move forward collaborating more with the EU on common goals on a voluntary basis. If its beneficial to everyone its only a matter of time. I do not want to lose final autonomy or accountability though. They are very very important to me. But I don't see why we cant have both.

I think a lot of people in the UK would like to see a much more collaborative relationship with the EU, and indeed I suspect that many thought that an EEA type arrangement would be what we ended up with. But at present the Government has zero appetite for a better relationship. They are hell bent on deals literally on the other side of the world, but seem to want to pretend that our neighbours don't exist.