AIBU To wish that the media would ask which way people voted in the EU referendum when reporting problems of the farming and fishing industry caused by Brexit?

[Kendodd]

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-59748581.amp

Because if you voted Leave you are too stupid to be in business and don't deserve my sympathy.

Ballots are meant be a private matter - a whole lot of shite happens when they're public knowledge - so while people can choose to do so, the media pushing for people to list how they voted in anything seems like a very risky idea and pretty unethical to me.

Also, that would out any immigrants who didn't have the right to vote. Not sure where your sympathies lie there, but I'm not going to put people at risk when there is rising xenophobic attacks in many areas, just so someone can decide how they should feel about someone's problems.

I personally have very little sympathy with those Remainers and in certain political parties who continue to think just shouting how evil and thick and unworthy of consideration the other side is is any sort of political argument. As unbeneficial as Brexit is, that shite is just another flavour of us vs them that doesn't do anyone any good either. It didn't help any of them win and it isn't helping anything now.

Can I ask what the remain side lied about? Genuine question.

The government that was the main campaigners for Remain lied for years about certain things being the EU's fault that actually they could have done many things about but chose not to do so because it didn't suit them. They did pretty much nothing during the campaign to deal with that damage, I don't recall any discussion of what they would do other about any of the things they blamed on the EU other than 'we can change the EU more from the inside' which was the wishywashiest bullshite that I don't know how they thought it would convince anyone.

I had Remainers tell me that the government didn't need to really campaign because it's the status quo which I think is more them lying to themselves that preaching to the choir was enough.

@DismantledKing

I’m as remain as they come; I went in all the London marches and campaigned throughout. I’d now like to rejoin the EU However I think you’re behaving like an arse here. Do you realise how much your smug moral certainty turns people off?

This. In fact it’s attitudes like yours that have made me sympathise much more the leave side over the last couple of years.

I personally have very little sympathy with those Remainers and in certain political parties who continue to think just shouting how evil and thick and unworthy of consideration the other side is is any sort of political argument. As unbeneficial as Brexit is, that shite is just another flavour of us vs them that doesn't do anyone any good either. It didn't help any of them win and it isn't helping anything now.

^This - and I notice the OP hasn't been back much to back up their Thick/Clever narrative - perhaps they have finally realised it's untenable.

Ermagerd there is a Brexit board for this vitriol! Ffs these bloody threads come round every week!

Ahh yes you clearly are more intelligent op. That’s what it is

Not that people vote differently because they have different experiences, different lives and different options in life.

@Magnited

You sound like a North Korean executioner OP

Are North Korean executioners anti Brexit then?

Are North Korean executioners anti Brexit then?

Yep, rabid remainers all of 'em.

@x2boys

Ah ,yes the leave voters ,are thick ,ignorant ,stance again .

Come on! They are a little bit.

Dismissing entire groups of people, who voted that way because they already felt dismissed doesn’t strike me as very bright either TBH.

(Ps my farming family, from Cornwall no less, voted remain.)

YABU for many reasons, the main one being that we have a secret ballot in this country and nobody has the right to know how other people voted. They're free to tell them but putting pressure on someone is wrong. The days when you had to cast your vote in public are long gone.

Plus just because someone voted a certain way doesn't mean their view is less valid. You vote for what you think will be best. Brexiteers voted for what they thought was best overall, they knew there would be some negatives, just that the benefits outweighed them. You vote for the least bad option.

Put another way, did 100% of Remaniacs believe that everything was perfect with the EU status quo, that there were no flaws, no areas that could be improved? Of course not, most knew that the EU was a bloated bureaucratic mess, even if they've know conveniently forgotten that fact.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

I personally have very little sympathy with those Remainers and in certain political parties who continue to think just shouting how evil and thick and unworthy of consideration the other side is is any sort of political argument. As unbeneficial as Brexit is, that shite is just another flavour of us vs them that doesn't do anyone any good either. It didn't help any of them win and it isn't helping anything now.

^This - and I notice the OP hasn't been back much to back up their Thick/Clever narrative - perhaps they have finally realised it's untenable.

perhaps they have finally realised it's untenable

I wouldn’t hold your breath

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4359149-To-not-understand-why-voters-arent-angry-about-all-the-lies-Tories-and-Brexiteers-told-them-and-the-resulting-mess-theyve-created

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4393861-AIBU-to-say-that-the-Tories-the-party-that-brought-us-Brexit-are-NOT-the-party-of-fiscal-responsibility

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4106049-Shout-Out-to-All-Outside-the-UK-What-do-you-think-of-Brexit

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3867174-Do-you-think-the-Brexit-transition-period-should-be-extended-because-of-coronavirus

The Common Fishing Policy was the most appallingly devised policy ever, the environmental impact on fish stocks was verging on disastrous and involved obscene amounts of destruction and waste.

The core policy was hurriedly agreed upon in the early seventies, before the U.K. joined, the terms agreed on by the member states (most of whom didn't have any significant fishing industry) to please France and make sure it got exactly what it wanted. When we joined it decimated the British fishing industry.

British fishermen were quite a strong lobby in favour of Brexit, and were promised that leaving would allow Britain to manage our own fishing rights and waters far better. Having a successful and profitable fishing industry is good for everyone and could bring prosperity back into some of the most deprived regions of Britain, but the sums of money involved are not really quite enough for it to be a top priority, especially at the moment with Covid.

The fact that the post-Brexit government has utterly stiffed and betrayed them since does not mean that they are stupid, and only a very stupid person would reduce this complex issue into such a simplistic and insulting shorthand.

The fact that the post-Brexit government has utterly stiffed and betrayed them since does not mean that they are stupid, and only a very stupid person would reduce this complex issue into such a simplistic and insulting shorthand.

No, but I think the government not having their best interests at heart was fairly predictable.

@ThursdayLastWeek

Dismissing entire groups of people, who voted that way because they already felt dismissed doesn’t strike me as very bright either TBH.

(Ps my farming family, from Cornwall no less, voted remain.)

As I kept repeating ad nauseum, I'm a Remain voting farmer. Sheep and lamb prices at market have gone through the roof. My Single Farm Payment issued by the Scottish Government remains the same.

Wheeling out the old trope that “Leave voters are thick, ignorant racists” is what swung a lot of undecided voters to vote to leave.

The Remain faction was so vocally disdainful about anyone who questioned why staying in the EU would be preferable, that often, genuine concerns were labelled by the Remain camp as racist, instead of taking any time to actually answer the question.
Remain was an unbelievably lazy campaign and because of its inability to coherently address any anti-EU concerns, was the indirect cause of the outcome.
That Remainers can still only cast spiteful observations about people who voted to leave, shows that they still haven’t learned their lesson after 5 years!

I dont think you can blame inividuals for voting in a referendum that should never have been called, that was run in a way that didnt require an defined majority of a bigger amount, that people were allowed to lie extensivley in their campaigning and then 'negotiated' the exit in an odd way. I voted remain and am devestated at the way things turned out but im not going to point score off individuals struggling as a result. I feel very angry at those in power for making it happen though.

@LittleRoundRobin

Great contribution.

@BusBusBus

I dont think you can blame inividuals for voting in a referendum that should never have been called, that was run in a way that didnt require an defined majority of a bigger amount, that people were allowed to lie extensivley in their campaigning and then 'negotiated' the exit in an odd way. I voted remain and am devestated at the way things turned out but im not going to point score off individuals struggling as a result. I feel very angry at those in power for making it happen though.

This is the point I was trying to make - the blame lies 100% with David Cameron.

Another person who voted for brexit here and holds a PhD (So obviously thick). Since Brexit my life has improved considerably and alot better off, affected by brexit I don't know or really care. If your life is now considerably worse GOOD, nothing I hate more than smug gits lumping people into one group as thick, I hope you continue to feel the negative effects . We can all act like arsholes.

@Porcupineintherough

@mygenericusername well no, you wouldnt be. Because nothing has really changed as yet. Let's see what the future brings

Chicken Licken is alive and well

Wheeling out the old trope that “Leave voters are thick, ignorant racists” is what swung a lot of undecided voters to vote to leave.

Voting Leave because you were upset someone called you a name is thick. I don't know how that can be described in any way as a clever thing to do.

the blame lies 100% with David Cameron.

Initially yes, too spineless to stand up to the ERG and then almost literally ran away.

After that though, May is culpable, by not saying that the vote was close and seeking to investigate the options and then Johnson, going for a hard Brexit to appease the right wing again. And both May and Johnson for putting incompetents in charge of Brexit.

I think some of Johnson's Cabinet might hold PhD's - and generally there are a lot of Oxford Graduates. But being expensively educated and holding Classics and PPE degrees, doesn't make them skilled negotiators.

Reading one point and responding exclusively to that, instead of the whole post could also be described as thick, but I’m going to be kind and describe it as sophistry.