AIBU To wish that the media would ask which way people voted in the EU referendum when reporting problems of the farming and fishing industry caused by Brexit?

[Kendodd]

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-59748581.amp

Because if you voted Leave you are too stupid to be in business and don't deserve my sympathy.

That’s so harsh. I voted remain & I hate that we left but we did and regardless of who voted for what people are entitled to be unhappy with follow on decisions and/or to just change their minds.

It's not like you hear many any people say theyve changed their minds though, is it? "This isnt the Brexit I voted for" is the usual complaint.

I'm an European who has been very vocal against Brexit from the beginning. I love the UK, I have family I love in the UK and never understood why a government will commit such damage against their own country interests as to put leaving the EU in a referendum.

Having said that, I think you are way off line to call leavers stupid. People voted what was presented to them in a referendum - leave = all good, millions for NHS, gaining border controls and immigration while keeping the EU single market status quo. This is what people were sold and voted for.

Yes, there were many saying what's being sold is a dud but most people don't take that much interest in politics to research what's the best for self and country.

Don't blame the people, blame the government who lied time and again to get the result they wanted.

@dangerrabbit

Loving the 48/52% split YABU/YANBU

Yep! Seems opinions really haven't changed as much as some may think 🙂

Yes, there were many saying what's being sold is a dud but most people don't take that much interest in politics to research what's the best for self and country.

But I do blame people for that. Because they could take an interest, they just don’t. And that’s on both sides, plenty of people who voted remain (and people who voted for various parties in elections) don’t bother taking a proper interest. And it is annoying when those people then complain about it. If you loudly dismissed valid concerns as “project fear” then that is your fault.

@Pumperthepumper

I will always be angry about Brexit - we were all fed the same lies, if you chose to believe them then that’s on you. Brexit showed a really horrible side to Britain.

Yes, I agree, all the hate and vitriol spewed by remainers has certainly been a horrible side of Britain exposed.

@SickAndTiredAgain

Yes, there were many saying what's being sold is a dud but most people don't take that much interest in politics to research what's the best for self and country.

But I do blame people for that. Because they could take an interest, they just don’t. And that’s on both sides, plenty of people who voted remain (and people who voted for various parties in elections) don’t bother taking a proper interest. And it is annoying when those people then complain about it. If you loudly dismissed valid concerns as “project fear” then that is your fault.

Most people dont take an interest in politics, it's a fact not just in Britain but the rest of the world. People vote for their party and if they sell a populist slogan that resonates with their ideology/ interests, they don't look/research futher. Parties know this. It's why populist policies are so well liked all over the world.

OP you are being harsh but not unreasonable. I wouldn't insult people and I think that some people can be good at business and not have a clue about politics.

I think a very valid point has been raised on this thread - some people / professions / regions voted overwhelmingly for Brexit despite being advised it was against their best interests. Now they are facing the predicted consequences but they don't seem to be angry with or questioning what the Vote Leave campaign sold them? Why not?

@Ijustdontcare exactly, the leave voters are above that kind of talk. They would never, for example, treat refugees like vermin or base an entire campaign around a nazi propaganda picture.

@Pumperthepumper

I will always be angry about Brexit - we were all fed the same lies, if you chose to believe them then that’s on you. Brexit showed a really horrible side to Britain.

Yes it did - but the horrible isn't all stacked up on one side of the vote.

For those who've mentioned EU subsidies : There is no such thing as EU money.

@Alondra

I'm an European who has been very vocal against Brexit from the beginning. I love the UK, I have family I love in the UK and never understood why a government will commit such damage against their own country interests as to put leaving the EU in a referendum.

Having said that, I think you are way off line to call leavers stupid. People voted what was presented to them in a referendum - leave = all good, millions for NHS, gaining border controls and immigration while keeping the EU single market status quo. This is what people were sold and voted for.

Yes, there were many saying what's being sold is a dud but most people don't take that much interest in politics to research what's the best for self and country.

Don't blame the people, blame the government who lied time and again to get the result they wanted.

Don't blame the people, blame the government who lied time and again to get the result they wanted.

Actually, the government that delivered the referendum expected us all to vote to remain. In fact it was never about what people actually wanted, it was a result of our hopeless electoral system and how it forces people with opposing views into the same two main parties.
At the time of the referendum our Prime Minster used taxpayer's money to send every household a leaflet instructing us to vote remain.

People are allowed to be wrong about things.

But at least have the grace to admit it, instead of blaming everyone else when Brexit isn't working.

As has already been said, who on earth expected Johnson to keep his word? Why should a man who was sacked twice from his employers for lying and appears to cheat on every woman he has a relationship with concern himself keeping promises to people he knew nothing about?

However, he did say F*ck Business, and that Brexit was going to be a Titanic success, so there are two areas where he did keep his word.

[quote Pumperthepumper]@Ijustdontcare exactly, the leave voters are above that kind of talk. They would never, for example, treat refugees like vermin or base an entire campaign around a nazi propaganda picture.[/quote]
What a ridiculous post. You seem to be suggesting that every person who voted leave participated in every single part of the campaign which is plainly nonsense.
Lies were told on both sides.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone i already said that. The difference is, one side believed those lies.

[quote Pumperthepumper]@daimbarsatemydogsbone i already said that. The difference is, one side believed those lies.[/quote]
Again ridiculous - some voters on both sides believed lies, some didn't.

Can I ask what the remain side lied about? Genuine question.

And how does it stack up against £350 million a week for the NHS, taking back control (of our borders, our fish), the EU army, non elected bureaucrats...

@daimbarsatemydogsbone which ones specifically?

I don't think as many lies were told on the Remain side, although there was the expectation that if a hard Brexit with no deal was implemented immediately the economy would collapse. It wasn't implemented and there is a deal of sorts, but now that the effects are being felt the economy is beginning to collapse.

Farm owner here. Well part owner of an estate run by my parents. I can categorically state that we are no worse off am than we were before brexit. Every farmer I know would agree. We all voted for brexit and I personally would do so again

PHd, MSc, BSc, professional qualifications coming out of my bottom but quite happy for you to call me thick as it shows how little intelligence you truly have.

FWIW I wasn't commenting on the volume or "quality" of the lies, just there there were lies on both sides and that it's not a stretch to contend some people on each side were taken in by lies, and some were not.

This is a decently balanced account in my view, but no doubt those with entrenched views will continue only one side was the villain and the other side was brave noble and without reproach -

www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/81713782/dishonesty-on-both-sides-of-the-brexit-campaign

Remain lies were mostly threats about what would happen after we left. Budgetry retaliation, armed forces cooperation being removed etc etc.

All that has actually happened is the wholly expected trade wrangling.

But it has become obvious in polls here and many other places, that regardless of what actually happens, what is or is not done, opinion remains split, with Brexit maintaining a slender margin.

@mygenericusername well no, you wouldnt be. Because nothing has really changed as yet. Let's see what the future brings.

@Peregrina

I don't think as many lies were told on the Remain side, although there was the expectation that if a hard Brexit with no deal was implemented immediately the economy would collapse. It wasn't implemented and there is a deal of sorts, but now that the effects are being felt the economy is beginning to collapse.

And covid has had no input?

Working out the real cost has been confounded, and some of the benefits highlighted, in ways nobody could have foreseen.