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Am I hard work?

152 replies

softygirl · 18/12/2021 00:06

Been seeing this guy from work just over two months. On our first date he told me some very personal stuff about his family (dad was a violent drunk who used to beat up his mum and he left them and died without this being resolved between them). He cried when he told me this.

I've been in an abusive marriage and spoke about that. At the time it seemed natural and that he was confiding in me because he felt a strong connection but I'm aware it was quite intense for a first date.

A week or so later he told me about a traumatic event in his past where one of his friends drowned and he was there and felt he didn't do enough to save him. He carries this guilt with him and it leads to bouts of depression. He drinks to counter this.

Shortly after this he told me he had been sexually abused by his Nan's husband when he was ten and that he had never told anyone this, not even his mum or his twin brother.

By this time I felt that this was quite a lot to offload on me, he is adamant the only thing he is not over is the friend drowning and this is what makes him depressed. I was in part flattered that he felt he could tell me this but also a bit nonplussed about how I could help him get over these things.

I'm 12 years older than him, have my own house, a good job and kids so I'm not looking for him to marry me or take care of me. When we're together we get on incredibly well and are very relaxed around each other.

A few weeks ago he got drunk and told me on WhatsApp that he loved me. I told him to tell me that in person if he still felt it but when we met in person he said he thought it was too early to say those words. I was upset about this as it felt disingenuous to have said it and then retracted it. He says he finds it hard to express these things without drinking.

He has ended things with me today because he says I am hard work. He says I analyse everything he says and play games with him. I do talk about his drinking and how it concerns me a lot, about his attitude when I am upset or angry (he becomes very defensive and puts the blame back on me). I've also encouraged him to see a counsellor and told him I don't think it's just his friends death he needs to deal with.

For a relatively short relationship it has been seriously intense. I have probably stuck with it because 98% of the time when we are together we feel very content. We don't speak about these issues and his drinking is only when he doesn't see me (which is quite a lot as I have my kids 60% of the time and he hasn't met them yet so doesn't see me when they are here).

The latest argument today was about the kids, he has bought them a Christmas present and talked about wanting to teach them it (it's a game he plays). I said we would have to wait until we were solid and for the long term before he met them and he said we weren't solid but despite that I had been dropping hints that I wanted him to meet them which was game playing. I told him we were going to see the new Spiderman film on Christmas Eve and he said he was going to see it alone and I mentioned jokingly that it would be funny if he came separately but sat down next to me and we pretended we didn't know each other. On reflection it was probably not the best joke but he sees that as me saying I want him to meet them.

Sorry for the long post, I guess I just want some perspective on what has gone on here. I've done a lot of work on myself since my marriage ended and I thought I had good boundaries but for some reason this man has made me feel really vulnerable and like I'm not a good person.

I know I need to get a grip

OP posts:
softygirl · 18/12/2021 08:07

Thanks again for all your responses, we work together in a big organisation and we've never actually seen each other at work before all this so it will hopefully be easy to avoid him. He does know where I live but I have awesome neighbours who will be on it if he tries anything weird here.

My ex husband was the opposite of this guy, over fifteen years he gradually withdrew any emotional intimacy and the dynamic between us was me trying to get his attention so this didn't feel the same from the outset, this man was apparently very open with his emotions.

The fact you have all said run and the way I've been tying myself up in knots after such a short time with him has given me some clarity now.

After my ex husband left I got into another relationship far too quickly with a guy who seemed much more emotionally available but was also an alcoholic (he kept his drinking from me for two years and because we didn't live together and he did shifts I didn't process that his issues were alcohol related). I ended that relationship when it became clear he wasn't going to get help. My ex husband is also a prolific weed smoker and drinker.

So it would appear I have a type! Clearly I don't have a great blueprint of what a healthy relationship looks like. These three men have presented their manipulative behaviour in different ways and I've been sucked in each time which makes me think there must be something wrong with me that I'm not trusting myself more.

The irony is I love being single and have been at my happiest just being by myself and going on casual dates and taking things at my own pace.
I do feel damaged by my past relationships and possibly I got sucked in quicker trying to help this one "properly" and right the wrongs of the past. Who knows.

As you all said though I don't need this in my life.

OP posts:
LittleEsme · 18/12/2021 08:34

You are stronger than you realise @softygirl and your instincts are still intact despite your horrible experiences.

I think now is the time to do the Freedom Programme abs to perhaps invest in a Ring Doorbell to be doubly safe Thanks

SoItWas · 18/12/2021 08:36

He is hard work!

neverbeenskiing · 18/12/2021 08:48

If you work for the same organisation, even if you don't work together directly, he may find ways for your paths to cross at work. I would screenshot any inappropriate or abusive messages in case you have to involve HR at any point in the future.

Comingup · 18/12/2021 09:05

Oh no OP..I think you are dating my ex. So much drama and trauma to offload, moving things on super quick and gaslighting by doing the quick switch that it's YOU that's hard work. I didn't listen to my own intuition and run, kept thinking aw he is trying hard,he's sweet, he's had such a hard time etc. Bloody wished I had when I was contacting Womens Aid and these amazing MNetters to help me get away. I did. Run OP, you sound like you have a decent life, don't let him in.

TonyChestnut · 18/12/2021 09:10

I realise I'm late to this thread and you seem to have made a decision (the right one IMHO).

Reading your original post put me in mind of Eric Beirne's Transactional Analysis model. If you're unaware of it, I would recommend it to everyone.

Massively oversimplifying: he describes three states we all adopt at various times in our relationships with other (romances, friendships, families and work etc.) namely: Child, Adult and Parent.

In 'ideal' relationships we should aim for both parties to be in Adult states - not controlling, judging, etc.

The man you describe seems to sit in a Child state - perhaps looking for you to be a supportive or nurturing parent, and then getting cross when you don't.

(Also, recommend reading more about what Beirne says about Victims Persecutors and Rescuers.)

I fear this man needs help. That's not your job. I think you've realised it's time to have the "it's not me, it's you..," conversation!

Returnoftheowl · 18/12/2021 09:15

As everyone else has said it's him who's hard work, not you.

I'm also bring when he sobers up today he'll be all apologetic for his words last night and try and worm his way back in.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 18/12/2021 09:24

Good reflection!

2Rebecca · 18/12/2021 09:29

He sounds like an alcoholic who takes no personal responsibilty. His drinking and how he feels is all due to past events or you. It will all become your fault if you stay with him. He may have had some crap life events but he chooses to drink heavily and sounds very self centred

BeanyBops · 18/12/2021 09:33

The cheek of him telling you you need to work on yourself!! That has made me angry! Youve done nothing wrong. Seems to me that you've implemented the boundaries you have been working on, refused to just fall in line with his way of wanting things to be, and now he is kicking off about it.

Would not touch with a barge pole. You can do a lot better.

hardboiledeggs · 18/12/2021 09:36

Run and don’t look bad. He’s the one playing games here.

FizzyTango · 18/12/2021 09:36

Red flags like bunting on this one!
Honestly just take time for yourself, be single and put yourself first!

PandorasMailbox · 18/12/2021 09:43

He's using you as an emotional wank sock.

He sounds really needy and immature. Get rid asap.

BunnyBlanket · 18/12/2021 09:46

Run.

Scrabblecrabapple · 18/12/2021 09:47

He’s going to try to get back with you, after he has bathed in the self drama for a bit. This is a control tactic. RUN

HaaaaaveyoumetTed · 18/12/2021 10:22

You've dodged a bullet there! Run in a zig-zag far, far away.

He's setting you up for abuse. Disclosing traumatic events, making excuses for his drinking and depression, making out his life has been so hard. Then claiming you are hardwork, messing with his emotions when he's the one who retracted an I love you. Classic abuser. He wants you to apologize, say you'll be less hard work, beg for him back.

Lucky escape.

whatinthenameofhen · 18/12/2021 10:26

Ditch him.100%

Cupcakeschocolate · 18/12/2021 10:28

He is hard work. Not you. Run. He's had a hard life but its not your responsibility to 'fix' him. He needs some therapy for his trauma and you need to move on by for yours and your kids sake

BridStar · 18/12/2021 10:36

Sounds like a serial killer, frankly.

Basically he lumbers you with sob stories so that if you ever question him or try to end things, he can bring up the sob stories and how you're some sort of monster.

It's a technique abusers use. Telling you what a victim he is on the first date? He's challenging you to "be the next one to hurt me, boo boo"

Also don't bring lunatics to your children.

Luredbyapomegranate · 18/12/2021 10:42

Forget him.

Nut job.

GingerbreadandJellytots · 18/12/2021 10:43

He's an alcoholic
He's emotionally manipulative.
He pushes boundaries.
He is gaslighting you.
He is looking for an emotional caretaker, not an equal partner.
This is not a good Man.

JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil · 18/12/2021 10:47

Nope. Offloading about being abused within about 5 minutes of meeting you then trying to meet your kids. Sound’s predatory to me.

TokyoTen · 18/12/2021 11:13

Honestly I'd take that as a win for you and run for the hills! Lifetime of misery coning up with alcohol involved.

Comingup · 19/12/2021 22:57

"You're bitter and hateful at the minute. And that's not the you we both liked"

I actually did a double take reading this as it is almost verbatim to a vile email my ex sent when I'd had enough of his behaviour...how quickly the facade drops and the malevolent damaged individual is revealed( and yes my oh so sensitive ex overshared and cried on our first date too).
It really could be him. If not whoever he is don't waste a second, go no contact.

BurntO · 19/12/2021 23:01

It’s not you.