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Am I hard work?

152 replies

softygirl · 18/12/2021 00:06

Been seeing this guy from work just over two months. On our first date he told me some very personal stuff about his family (dad was a violent drunk who used to beat up his mum and he left them and died without this being resolved between them). He cried when he told me this.

I've been in an abusive marriage and spoke about that. At the time it seemed natural and that he was confiding in me because he felt a strong connection but I'm aware it was quite intense for a first date.

A week or so later he told me about a traumatic event in his past where one of his friends drowned and he was there and felt he didn't do enough to save him. He carries this guilt with him and it leads to bouts of depression. He drinks to counter this.

Shortly after this he told me he had been sexually abused by his Nan's husband when he was ten and that he had never told anyone this, not even his mum or his twin brother.

By this time I felt that this was quite a lot to offload on me, he is adamant the only thing he is not over is the friend drowning and this is what makes him depressed. I was in part flattered that he felt he could tell me this but also a bit nonplussed about how I could help him get over these things.

I'm 12 years older than him, have my own house, a good job and kids so I'm not looking for him to marry me or take care of me. When we're together we get on incredibly well and are very relaxed around each other.

A few weeks ago he got drunk and told me on WhatsApp that he loved me. I told him to tell me that in person if he still felt it but when we met in person he said he thought it was too early to say those words. I was upset about this as it felt disingenuous to have said it and then retracted it. He says he finds it hard to express these things without drinking.

He has ended things with me today because he says I am hard work. He says I analyse everything he says and play games with him. I do talk about his drinking and how it concerns me a lot, about his attitude when I am upset or angry (he becomes very defensive and puts the blame back on me). I've also encouraged him to see a counsellor and told him I don't think it's just his friends death he needs to deal with.

For a relatively short relationship it has been seriously intense. I have probably stuck with it because 98% of the time when we are together we feel very content. We don't speak about these issues and his drinking is only when he doesn't see me (which is quite a lot as I have my kids 60% of the time and he hasn't met them yet so doesn't see me when they are here).

The latest argument today was about the kids, he has bought them a Christmas present and talked about wanting to teach them it (it's a game he plays). I said we would have to wait until we were solid and for the long term before he met them and he said we weren't solid but despite that I had been dropping hints that I wanted him to meet them which was game playing. I told him we were going to see the new Spiderman film on Christmas Eve and he said he was going to see it alone and I mentioned jokingly that it would be funny if he came separately but sat down next to me and we pretended we didn't know each other. On reflection it was probably not the best joke but he sees that as me saying I want him to meet them.

Sorry for the long post, I guess I just want some perspective on what has gone on here. I've done a lot of work on myself since my marriage ended and I thought I had good boundaries but for some reason this man has made me feel really vulnerable and like I'm not a good person.

I know I need to get a grip

OP posts:
SarahDippity · 18/12/2021 00:24

Your instincts are correct. Someone who says you are too intense/difficult is often projecting their own framework and insisting on you changing it to match their own intensity. This relationship sounds unequal and I’d be very guarded if I were you. Protect your own values, and don’t doubt your instincts.

Moonpiglets · 18/12/2021 00:27

Don’t let him near your kids. Your instinct to hold back on that is a good one and it is worth listening to.

Quirkyme · 18/12/2021 00:29

Sack him off. You've got a wonderful new year ahead, don't take him with you into it. Please.

Redshoeblueshoe · 18/12/2021 00:29

I worked with someone like this.
They were a lying bastard. The next lie was always bigger than the last.
Run for the hills

softygirl · 18/12/2021 00:31

Thanks so much for your reassurance. I probably have some triggers for being married to an emotional abuser that I don't even realise are there.

He's just messaged me the following:

These attacks in me aren't great. You know none of them are true. This is something you need to work on

OP posts:
softygirl · 18/12/2021 00:32

I know it's the right thing to leave him behind, I appreciate everyone's comments and they've made me give myself a kick up the arse!

OP posts:
newfriend05 · 18/12/2021 00:33

@OppsUpsSide

Fucking hell love run for your life!
This 💯
SheilaWilcox · 18/12/2021 00:37

Lucky escape.
Run!

Thanksagainand · 18/12/2021 00:39

These attacks in me aren't great. You know none of them are true. This is something you need to work on

Oh my giddy aunt, run.
This is DARVO a thing that’s helped me loads. It means he will defend himself, Attack you and then Reverse who is the defender and who is the Attacker.
Basically you make a point and somehow you end up being in the wrong. Exactly his text.

Phoenix76 · 18/12/2021 00:41

Not something you need to work on, that’s his work hope he enjoys it, you’ll certainly enjoy not having this nightmare around!

Ariann · 18/12/2021 00:42

Disastro! Give yourself a shake and throw it back.
He will suck the life out of you and wreck your happy life.

BobbieT1999 · 18/12/2021 00:43

Nope, you're not the one who's hard work here!

Viviennemary · 18/12/2021 00:45

Yoh have had a very lucky escape there. Avoid like the plague.

Redshoeblueshoe · 18/12/2021 00:46

Block him. Also be very careful in work. I had 2 separate colleagues who were stalked by other members of staff.

Maskless · 18/12/2021 00:57

I've seen this pattern before, OP.

There was a purpose behind him telling you all that deep, painful, personal stuff: to get you to feel sorry for him. It's one of the forms of covert narcissism (google it). Its to make sure all the attention is on him and his needs and vulnerabilities from the word go.

Once he's established who's the hurt and vulnerable one, your needs, your pain, your past, would always come second.

Thank goodness he has dumped you rather than forcing you into taking the role of "baddie" by dumping him when he's so hurt and vulnerable etc etc.

At this point you are supposed to chase after him and beg him back.

DON'T.

JockTamsonsBairns · 18/12/2021 00:59

Oh sweet Jesus, get out of this as fast as you can.

Maskless · 18/12/2021 01:00

And BTW the pampering at his flat was "love-bombing". He was putting on a show. That isn't how daily life would be with him at all!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_bombing#:~:text=Love%20bombing%20is%20an%20attempt,and%20have%20warned%20against%20it.

MostlyGuesswork · 18/12/2021 01:04

12 years younger, it sounds like he wanted you as a mother figure to look after him, not an equal partner.

Definitely a good thing to end this. Don't be tempted back.

Lovinglifeand · 18/12/2021 01:06

My eldest son sounds a bit like this lad. He is 25 and struggles with depression. He is probably a lovely chap but definitely not ready for a strong relationship. You were quite right to take a step back. I'd avoid.

oakleaffy · 18/12/2021 01:17

@WorraLiberty

No, he's the one who's hard work and he has a lot of baggage too.

I'm 12 years older than him, have my own house, a good job and kids so I'm not looking for him to marry me or take care of me.

No, but I bet he's looking for you to marry him and take care of him and all the emotional stuff he's carrying with him.

This is what I felt, too. He sounds terribly hard work, and a real game player.

Red flag all the way with this one, Run and never look back.
The drinking especially.

NotAnotherAlias · 18/12/2021 01:18

Gosh he’s the one who sounds like hard work. There would be no space for you in any relationship with this walking red flag of a man. I think you should ask yourself why you entertained him, his baggage and drama for so long given he started with it from the first date.

As others have said he could be a narcissist and this fits with love-bombing. He’s definitely emotionally unavailable and looking for someone to be co-dependent with (the typical relationship pattern with alcoholics). That’s not a healthy way of relating and is miserable to live through. i would leave him well alone now.

Congratulate yourself on sticking to your boundaries because it would have been easy to get sucked in further. Do please think about how you can waste less time, effort and emotion the next time you encounter someone like him.

PappaPaddy · 18/12/2021 01:18

He says you're hard work? Seriously?

He needs a therapist not a girlfriend!
All that offloading to you, and crying on the first date was far too heavy.
He's started off gearing it all up to be about him. He seems to be making sure the focus stays on it all being about him.

He's done you a favour by ending it, you can walk away without him creating more drama if you had been the one to end things.

Block him and avoid him now. Although this might be difficult at work. He might try to reel you back in, don't let him. There's something very 'off' with him.

oakleaffy · 18/12/2021 01:21

@softygirl

Thanks so much for your reassurance. I probably have some triggers for being married to an emotional abuser that I don't even realise are there.

He's just messaged me the following:

These attacks in me aren't great. You know none of them are true. This is something you need to work on

Jeez! What kind of nightmare is this bloke!

RUN, FORREST, RUUUN!!!!

MissConductUS · 18/12/2021 01:25

I'd run just for the alcohol abuse and self medicating.

NotAnotherAlias · 18/12/2021 01:26

I’ve just seen your follow-up post. Classic DARVO. I can’t see how a relationship with this guy would be anything other than abusive.

It’s good to hear you’re going to step away and work on those boundaries again. I think that sounds very wise.

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