How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

And please don't think the answer to "the Tories" is to get rid of FPTP.

Look at what happened with the Euro elections in both '19, '14 and '09. The British electorate is far more to the right than you suppose. At present, the Conservative party provides somewhat of a centrist backstop because there is nowhere else for people further to the right to go. You remove that backstop, and you may very well end up with a UKIP style party vs the Conservatives in the HOC with Labour as a the new LibDem style presence.

"AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote"

WTF? I am very far away from a Tory voter but you cannot argue to take the vote from people who don't vote the way you want them to. That is massively crossing the line.

I can't speak for Tory voters but my guess would be that it is the lack of alternatives to vote for (especially for the floating voters). The opposition are a waste of space and it's disgraceful.

Because Labour are a joke, the greens are a joke, and Lib Dem's are also.. a joke. Tories are a joke too but better the devil you know than the one you don't, and possibly the best of a bad bunch. And that's coming from a Labour voter (probs won't vote Labour next time tho)
OP, whom do you propose measures this 'sense' you talk about?? Who decides who does or does not have the sense to vote?

They’re all pricks. I just think of the two parties, the conservatives are the more competent pricks.

The more I read here, the more I see politics of fear, rather than than politics of reality.

@Clavinova

So no women in the Labour party? they have 104 female MPs out of 202

How many of Labour's female MPs have criminal convictions now?

Eh? Why don't you enlighten us oh great one - I can only think of a couple, both of whom are no longer Labour MPs, but I am sure you have detailed list - just make sure it includes all the Tory ones for balance though, please.

@RozHuntleysStump

They’re all pricks. I just think of the two parties, the conservatives are the more competent pricks.

I cannot imagine how anyone could come to this conclusion - do you really think there are worse pricks than these pricks? Is that even possible?

I love this - “If you don’t agree with me, you’re an idiot and shouldn’t be allowed to vote”.

You should move to North Korea or China, they’d be right up your street.

@DirectionToPerfection

Sadiq Khan is absolutely useless as mayor. The prospect of him being in charge of government is utterly terrifying.

Boris Johnson was absolutely useless as mayor.
The prospect of him being in charge of government is utterly terrifying.

I agree - which is why I pointed it out, let us not make the same mistake twice of electing an infuriating, useless mayor in to government.

Because they think for just themselves.

Lack of a robust alternative

Well there was nothing wrong with Gordon Brown or Ed Milliband. So if people had voted for them we wouldn’t have got bloody Cameron - who had nothing going for him but his posh accent - or Theresa May. Boris and his band of idiots wouldn’t be a thing.

Corbyn was unelectable maybe, but why people think he was WORSE than Boris etc escapes me. He at least wanted to improve people’s lives. And we’ve got no money as a country and a shit standard of living now anyway.

The present Tory government is appalling. The Labour Party should stop the left wing infighting and mount a decent opposition. I have never been a Labour supporter but anything is preferable to the incumbent corrupt rabble we have been landed with.

They vote Conservative because most people are conservative with a small “c”. Their general outlook tallies with the instincts of most people. That’s why they’ve been the most successful political party over the last century.

Sadiq Khan is a perfectly good mayor.

Keir Starmer is an ideal PM - thoughtful, does what he actually thinks is right, intelligent, understands the issues and is hard working. Has integrity. People just don’t like him because at the moment the Tory press tells them not to. A successful barrister is exactly the kind of person - with the kind of mind - that is best for running the country. Logical. People just don’t like it as it’s “boring”.

The terminal wokeness - not being able to say what a woman is - is a problem. That’s bad advice though, I think, not KS actually being unable to answer that question.

@BoredOfSamphire

AndreaC67 - in the UK, unions are mostly for public-sector workers. And so, therefore, is the Labour party.

That's wrong, anyone can join a union. Some unions represent wide sectors. You can apply to them yourself as an individual - not through your workplace.

@inkworks273

I honestly don't know why working class people would ever vote conservative. I'm in Scotland and we NEVER vote Tory and yet here we are still landed with them.

I’m in Scotland and I NEVER vote SNP yet I’m still landed with them.

@TooBigForMyBoots

From what I can work out, the people still voting Tory believe that having Labour in charge would be even more of a shit-show. Labour has a rep for not being able to make anything actually happen, despite their promises.

Where does this reputation come from? Labour governments have changed this country for the better: NHS, NI peace, Sure Start.

This Conservative Party brought us Brexit, corruption, lies and the proposed reforms to the GRA which start with the premise TWAW. They have also amended laws regarding Denial of Citizenship which disproportionately discriminates against British Jews, amongst others.

The labour party also bought us the Iraq war costing thousands of lives and billions of pounds based on false intelligence. They also brought us top up fees for university and removed regulations on banking and mortgages leading to one of the greatest financial crashes in recent history in 2008.

And believe me the Jewish community were far more afraid of Corbyn than the chance they may be accused of espionage and terrorism and have their citizenship stripped. Boris etc has actually shown huge support for the Jewish community

@Hyperion100

How about this. No campaigning by any party.

All manifestos are published anonymously and split across a series of multiple choice questions.

Highest weighted answer set wins your vote.

I am positive that if this were to happen, very few people would actually vote for a party that wants more privatisaton of the NHS, reduced trade with the enormous trading block 30 miles, more child poverty, more sewage in our rivers and on our beaches, worse pensions, more jobs for mates etc etc

They did this and the green party had the overwhelmingly popular set of policies (not sure which election year but in the last decade) - this did not matter when it came to who was voted in.

voteforpolicies.org.uk/

@inkworks273

I honestly don't know why working class people would ever vote conservative. I'm in Scotland and we NEVER vote Tory and yet here we are still landed with them.

I fear that when Scotland gets independence we'll never see another Labour government again.

integrity.
Hahahaha,
No.

@chaosmaker you think PR systems are a GOOD idea? Have you looked at countries where there is a PR system like Israel who have had something like 7 elections in 2 years, an unstable government who can't get anything done as they have to appease everyone and extremist groups holding the balance of power. yep seems like a much much better system

One of the reasons I vote Conservative is that I wouldn't support higher taxation than we have currently. I also associate Labour with bureaucracy and a large state machine, rather than being particularly "business friendly" in terms of regulations etc.

That said, Boris is shambolic and an embarrassment to the party. I trust the 1922 committee will, at some point, ruthlessly dispatch him as with other PMs before him.

very few people would actually vote for a party that wants more privatisaton of the NHS,

Depends how it was put TBH - my older relatives who interact a lot with NHS are very fed up with the inefficiencies and poor orgainisation they see and have to deal with.

Where as I remember being in England with young kids and tight money and putting off getting perscribtions for me because I didn't have the perscribtion charge money that week.

They also have NHS dentists - theren't aren't any here so we have to pay month insurance - though we manged to get kids on NHS which TBH was a bit of luck.

So while you assume people won't want it - I'm not so sure it can't be sold to them. Personally I'd fight not to have US private healthcare system as it's clearly appalling but honestly some of the EU systems don't sound that bad and with a rapdily aging population I'm not so sure the NHS will actually be there for our old age without something happening.