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How do people keep voting in the tories?

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chaosmaker · 14/12/2021 11:19

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

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daimbarsatemydogsbone · 04/01/2022 22:50

@Bollindger

THEY KEEP LOSING. Your complaining about a thing you can see IN VOTES. The Election is about getting people to want your policys to be carried out., so they place their X in the right box. Do you see? Labour are not reaching people , each time they fail, so that is their policys, failing each time. As I said after a decade they still can't refine this enough to gain support of the country. So whom do we blaim.. according to Mumsnet it's the people for not being clever enough do the right thing.
Several people have explained a variety of reasons - but it is certainly not as simple as you suggest.

If it was just a matter of policies=votes any party could do it.

Our electoral system is outdated and ignores the wishes of millions of people who vote for an mp of one party but get one from a different party.

Most governments including this one with an 80 seat majority are elected by a minority of the people who voted.

DdraigGoch · 05/01/2022 00:33

[quote housenovice]@EightWheelGirl

Public sector worker here married to another public sector worker - that poster was having you on. No way the public sector would fund private jets, 5 star hotels for entourage of 20 etc. Sounds beyond even the most extreme Daily Mail made-up nonsense.

The reality is that external visitors get luxuries like maybe some salad as well as the sandwiches for lunch and if they're very special, get their parking paid in Central London.

Gosh, some MNetters are very gullible - sounds like a joke thread and you fell for it! Grin[/quote]
I remember the poster. It wasn't the UK public sector. The poster worked for an EU institution, so such tales of waste are easily believed. After all, we're talking about an organisation which uproots its entire parliament (and entourage) once a month to go to Strasbourg for four days, keeping a spare parliament and offices there for the purpose.

Yes, the UK civil service has really clamped down. No First Class travel, even when a cheap Advance ticket is available which would have been better value than Standard.

Even so, there are plenty of political snouts in the trough. The PM didn't need to travel back from COP26 by private jet. Nor did he really need to fly to the G7 Summit. In fact, those two summits are themselves splendid examples of needless waste - the G7 summit cost the UK £90m to host (plus the pollution generated by Air Force One et al) and what did it achieve that couldn't have been done online? At a lower level, as travel restrictions ease again, just wait for MPs and Councillors to be off on fact-finding trips to the Bahamas again.

Then there are the simple cock-ups and poor procurement which cost a fortune. PFI is criminally wasteful, the MoD are experts in lining BAE Systems' pockets, the DfT really got taken for a ride by Agility...

So no, I don't trust that money goes where it is needed.

Bollindger · 05/01/2022 00:37

Yes it is.
Tony Blair proved that.
David Cameron used Brexit to win power.
Even Boris won on get Brexit done. With a majority.
If you can't get the public to believe in your party, you won't win in the UK voting system.

DottyDoge · 05/01/2022 01:24

I find the level of debate in much of this thread really depressing. Very little substance and a great deal of shallow soundbites and logical fallacies.

Bollindger · 05/01/2022 02:00

But if you keep losing, then your getting it wrong.
Yet the argument is that ,I am wrong in this opinion .
You need to be in power to change things.

Viviennemary · 06/01/2022 12:02

Angela Rayner. TheTory party's best friend.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 07/01/2022 11:09

@Bollindger

Yes it is. Tony Blair proved that. David Cameron used Brexit to win power. Even Boris won on get Brexit done. With a majority. If you can't get the public to believe in your party, you won't win in the UK voting system.
If Cameron used Brexit to "win power" why did he quit as soon as the referendum result was in - despite promising to implement the vote whatever the outcome?
daimbarsatemydogsbone · 07/01/2022 11:20

@Viviennemary

Angela Rayner. TheTory party's best friend.
What nonsense - the Tories wouldn't be so vitriolic and misogynist if they weren't worried by her (unless they are just nasty).
MaxNormal · 07/01/2022 11:24

I've never voted Tory, but at least they have slighly more of a clue of what a woman actually is. Until the other parties relearn that, I won't be able to give them my vote again.

Bollindger · 07/01/2022 11:35

David Cameron is on record at being Shocked he won. He thought the Liberals were going to continue sharing power, thus he would Never have to do it.
However many people changed their vote ensuring we got Brexit.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 07/01/2022 11:39

@Bollindger

David Cameron is on record at being Shocked he won. He thought the Liberals were going to continue sharing power, thus he would Never have to do it. However many people changed their vote ensuring we got Brexit.
and yet he still lied that he would implement whatever we decided but fucked off when he smelled trouble, the tosser.
Bollindger · 08/01/2022 11:24

100% agree about running away, so he didn't have to keep his word.
But I also think people need to realise that Brexit was wanted.
Every vote since has resulted in the party that endorsed Brexit winning. I think this may have come as rather a shock to the more Liberal voting public.
I just can't get over the fact that it wouldn't be that hard to find vote winning policys, yet Labour can't seem to swing the voters to follow them.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 08/01/2022 12:32

I just can't get over the fact that it wouldn't be that hard to find vote winning policys[sic], yet Labour can't seem to swing the voters to follow them.
OK, lets hear a few of these killer ideas that would be such easy vote winners for Labour.

Bollindger · 09/01/2022 13:48

Woman are not men.
Road tax on petrol.
Selling of council houses , all money must be used to build more housing only.
Moving free of charge anyone who wants to downsize a council house.
More affordable housing.
Free parking for all Medical staff... maybe they should build parking for the staff and run a free 24 hour bus from the parking.

GrendelsGrandma · 09/01/2022 13:58

I never have voted Tory, never will. But I'm baffled when people say they can't see the appeal at all. Some people see individual initiative as the key to progress and distrust centralised power and a big state.

For me, the problem is that British politics have barely moved on in centuries, I want parties with more innovative solutions to offer than red/blue take it or leave it.

mellongoose · 11/01/2022 08:22

@GrendelsGrandma

I never have voted Tory, never will. But I'm baffled when people say they can't see the appeal at all. Some people see individual initiative as the key to progress and distrust centralised power and a big state.

For me, the problem is that British politics have barely moved on in centuries, I want parties with more innovative solutions to offer than red/blue take it or leave it.

I'd be interested in this @GrendelsGrandma. What sort of examples?
daimbarsatemydogsbone · 11/01/2022 10:51

@GrendelsGrandma

I never have voted Tory, never will. But I'm baffled when people say they can't see the appeal at all. Some people see individual initiative as the key to progress and distrust centralised power and a big state.

For me, the problem is that British politics have barely moved on in centuries, I want parties with more innovative solutions to offer than red/blue take it or leave it.

It's pretty much all window dressing though. Tories say they are low tax and small state, but they aren't.
Flowersandhearts · 11/01/2022 10:56

Because the Tories are the party of wealth, with the interests of wealthy people (themselves) at heart. That would probably explain the 'YABU' vote too as Mumsnet is not generally full of people suffering through the torture of living in poverty.

fenulla · 24/01/2022 06:54

@Bollindger

David Cameron is on record at being Shocked he won. He thought the Liberals were going to continue sharing power, thus he would Never have to do it. However many people changed their vote ensuring we got Brexit.
Agreed
jeaux90 · 24/01/2022 07:06

Because Labour are unelectable.

The reason I can't vote for them is because Starmer is in favour of self Id and thinks it's abhorrent to say only women have a cervix.

Lammy referred to women as dinosaurs for standing up for our rights.

I left the Labour Party over this and now have to spoil my vote.

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