How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

Because the alternative is even worse?

@Hyperion100 I sometimes dream of this world. One where people would actually have to think about the consequences of their voting decisions, not just for themselves, but for others. I really despair for the future of my younger relatives, and I just hope to God they manage to get out of England as soon as they're old enough. I'm certainly glad I'm not any younger. (And I obviously can't know whether, if I'd been born a generation earlier, I'd also be sitting pretty on a pile of bricks and guaranteed income for the rest of my life, not caring in the slightest about the next generations, or the poor, or the disabled, or the ill, or the otherwise dispossessed.)

I also dream of a world that either has neutral news sources in it, or (now I'm really away in the faery world of W.B. Yeats...) a world that doesn't have politically aligned news media in it....particularly when it comes to outlets owned by offshore faceless multibillionaires that seem to be slightly to the right of Hitler in their views...

Because I’m a women.

Labour hate women so can’t really vote for them.

Hi @AndARiverBeneathYourFeet

here it is again, "BUT CORBYN!!"

It'll be 2078, the robots overlords will be here, and floating heads in glass jars will still be screaming "BUT CORBYN!!!!!!!"

In the real world it's 2021. Our current political landscape was set by the 2019 election in which Corbyn led the Labour party. Labour received its lowest number of seats since 1935.

From what I can work out, the people still voting Tory believe that having Labour in charge would be even more of a shit-show. Labour has a rep for not being able to make anything actually happen, despite their promises.

Where does this reputation come from? Labour governments have changed this country for the better: NHS, NI peace, Sure Start.

This Conservative Party brought us Brexit, corruption, lies and the proposed reforms to the GRA which start with the premise TWAW. They have also amended laws regarding Denial of Citizenship which disproportionately discriminates against British Jews, amongst others.

Democracy, hun. Don't all have to have the same opinions.

@Horst

Because I’m a women.

Labour hate women so can’t really vote for them.

So no women in the Labour party? they have 104 female MPs out of 202. The Tories have 87 out of 365, a derisory amount.

Who hates women again?

I think one of the key problems that they aren't any standout politicians at the moment, or parties.

I also think we have a political system which rewards MPs who follow the party line, and does not reward those who scrutinise policy. They are also poorly resourced compared to politicians in some other countries, which also affects their ability to really get a handle on major political issues.

Labour hate women so can’t really vote for them.

Believe me @Horst, the Conservatives hate women. From the GRA reforms and benefit changes to individual MPs joking about sending a bomb to a female Labour MP and raping their wives, I think they've made it clear that they're no friend to women.

Jessie75
Do you want a prime minister with no understanding or interest in international politics? what like Trump that went well didn’t it?

Trump did have an interest in international politics - Middle East/North Korea... so Trump is similar to Corbyn??

www.nytimes.com/2020/10/11/world/middleeast/trump-mideast-successes-failures.html

www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/donald-trumps-north-korea-gambit-what-worked-what-didnt-and-whats-next

Our current political landscape was set by the 2019 election...

The current political landscape & the state of the country is as a result of Boris Johnson & his policies, no one else.

He won a landslide and can do more or less what he likes.

For example - He could end the nurse shortage over the next 3 years by removing the tuition fees they pay, he won't, thats nothing to do with Corbyn.

Jeremy Corbyn
Angela Rayner
Dianne Abbott
Keir Starmer
Ed Milliband
Tony Blair...........
You can't polish a steaming heap of turds.

Labour has been unelectable for so long. Had high hopes for Keir but all he's done is whinge faintly in the background and throw out what he hopes are crowd pleasing sound bytes. Disappointing.

@Whammyyammy

I voted tory and will again as there is no alternative, other than spoiling my vote.

With some of your suggestions OP, have you considered relocating to North Korea? Their voting system seems right uo your street

Which suggestions? Being politically aware? Why is there no alternative?

Quite simply I didn't want that fucking idiot Diane Abbott to be home secretary. So I voted Tories. I'd take Priti over Diane any day of the week

"MrsColon

Because Labour have lost touch with actual working class voters - they're basically a Westminster left-wing elite echo chamber. The people they represent don't support gender self-ID, or any of Labour's other woke policies - they want work that pays a living wage, law and order, an end to gang crime, better education for poorer kids.

"they want work that pays a living wage, law and order, an end to gang crime, better education for poorer kids."

None of which have been forthcoming nor is there any hope of them being under a Tory regime."

Tories are clever. They say they are tough on crime but they cut the provision of public services that reduce crime such as youth work, drug and alcohol services. Labour improve state education and people life chances, tories slash funding and teacher morale. Labour try and improve peoples lives by preventing or improving circumstances that lead to crime. But people see that as pandering and a waste of money and the tories spin it as Labour being soft on crime. Whereas the tory policies do more to increase crime than labours prevention and intervention approach ever did.

Soon the tories will have been in power longer than Labour were. How long are they going to keep blaming Labour and being believed.

Which suggestions? Being politically aware? Why is there no alternative?

The fact you've started this thread proves you're not politically aware.

I'm in favour of a broad coalition just picking the best ones out of all the parties. Why oh why when you point out the uselessnes and callous governing by tories, people automatically assume you vote labour?

Parties don't win elections; they lose them. And Labour has consistently been losing elections since the New Labour years.

I think it is worth saying that Labour have only been in power for roughly a third of the last 100 years (about 34 years), and that includes the 10 years of Blair. They are, essentially, a party with a history of opposition.

I would argue the prime Labour years were the Attlee and Wilson years, and even then you are only looking at 14 years. Wilson's first six years as PM is equal to David Cameron's term, for heaven's sake.

For the British people to return a Labour government, there needs to a certain set of circumstances.

First, there needs to be some sort of sensible public expenditure commitment: Blair did this by committing to Tory spending plans for his first term of office.

Second, the country needs to feel the Labour leader is on their side and will improve things that affect their day-to-day lives: Blair did this with "Tough on Crime; Tough on Causes of Crime " and "Schools and Hospitals".

Third, the country needs to be in a place where it feels safe to take a measured risk. In '97, the Tories weren't crap or useless, per se; they were boring. Blair had a bit of vavavoom about him; he exuded the notion that "things could only get better." And that struck a chord with people.

What do we have now with Labour?

We have a public spending attitude that seems ill-considered at a time when there is post-lockdown pressure on tax receipts and huge public spending on lock-down measures. We have a strange obsession with culture wars, to the point of elected Labour MPs not being able to attend conference due to stating material facts. We have an at-the-time deputy leader calling the opposing party "scum". And we have a Labour activist presence that seems to relish being vindictive towards the general public.

No wonder long standing party members are leaving in droves, and the electorate aren't voting for them.

Boris is a total disaster (and the Tories know it, hence the knives coming out), but Labour is in no place whatsoever to capitalise on anything.

"AdmiralCain - Quite simply I didn't want that fucking idiot Diane Abbott to be home secretary. So I voted Tories. I'd take Priti over Diane any day of the week"

You do know its now Yvette Cooper? I can't think of anyone more excellent.

I agree the line up at the last election was woeful but that simply won't apply next time.

@Legoninjago1

Labour has been unelectable for so long. Had high hopes for Keir but all he's done is whinge faintly in the background and throw out what he hopes are crowd pleasing sound bytes. Disappointing.

What should he be doing that he isn't?

@Iknowbest

There was a referendum on changing the first past the post system

It was rejected by the voting public

There was a single vote on the AV system. PR is a much better system and the electorate could vote for who they wanted rather than tactical nonesense which I'm not a fan of. Especially when your party of choice crawls into bed with someone you don't want to govern a la the lib dem/tory nightmare

@TheCreamCaker

Jeremy Corbyn Dianne Abbott Keir Starmer

Yup. There is absolutely no alternative. I won't be voting for anti semitic lefties.

So no women in the Labour party? they have 104 female MPs out of 202

How many of Labour's female MPs have criminal convictions now?

@AndreaC67

Our current political landscape was set by the 2019 election...

The current political landscape & the state of the country is as a result of Boris Johnson & his policies, no one else.

He won a landslide and can do more or less what he likes.

For example - He could end the nurse shortage over the next 3 years by removing the tuition fees they pay, he won't, thats nothing to do with Corbyn.

Johnson won a landslide and can do more or less what he likes because many people wouldn't vote for Corbyn because of his policies.

Making Corbyn leader has done more damage to progressive politics in the UK than anything I can remember in my lifetime. He was a disaster for the left (and I think therefore for this country) without ever needing to get anywhere near the levers of power.