How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

@Cheesewineandpickle

I think the Tories are the better option for working class and poorer people. Historically they weren’t but they are now. Labour are for public service workers who are unionised.

Germany has a unionised workforce, workers on company boards and they do far better than the UK.

Poorer people will be impacted by council tax rises and NI increases far more than the wealthy will be.

Plus the Tories introduced the de regulated energy market and thats worked out really well for the low paid hasn't it?

On any measure, without CV, the UK is worse off under a Tory Govt unless you are wealthy, even under the pandemic, the rich have got richer.

Its remarkable, that even so, the poor will still vote tory, to be worse off, some sort of Stockholm Syndrome?

@Classica maybe that should show you how little Starmer has done for the Labour Party then.

Throughout the whole pandemic, the corruption and the deceit, he's slated the Tories (completely justifiably in some situations) but hasn't given a legitimate alternative or solution to anything they've done.

He has nothing to offer. He has done nothing to give anyone any reason to trust him or to even consider him as the leader of a viable alternative government.

The same old story of Labour being fiscally irresponsible their manifesto was lovely fairy dust paid for by other peoples endless money apparently and that scared voters away

The Tories were certainly wise not to put 'and we'll bung multi billion £ contracts to our pals' in their manifesto.

Because Labour, Lib Dems and Greens genuinely do not seem to know what a woman is. The policies that they would bring in (eg self-ID) has unintended consequences that they fail to comprehend.

All of them are scarily authoritarian. The only opposition to the government's restrictive COVID policies comes from within the Tory party itself (I'm double jabbed and have booked in for the booster, btw).

The Tories are corrupt and inept, but at least most of them are just about in touch with biological reality and show some vague concern regarding some of the restrictions on people's freedoms that have been brought in.

Because Labour is the gift that keeps giving.

The problem is that Labour only like 'hard-working families' when they're either working for the public sector or else in low-paid insecure jobs where they will continue to be dependent on the state.

‘Thick’ people being traitors to their own ‘thick’ class is a huge problem and it never fails to amaze me on these threads how people apparently just can’t see it.

@Stripyhoglets1

Bells3032

That was what it was like under corbyn.

Starmer is dealing with those issues though - and to read social media - his labour party is considered nearly as right as Camerons tories by the corbyn fanatics!

Overall though I think the misuse of public funds by the tories giving it to their mates is a bigger scandal and problem.

There has not been an election since Starmer came in. if there was another election (which i don't think there will be til 2024) then i will consider the manifestos etc and make my decision then

I'm a Labour member. But definitely Corbyn.

Because Labour is simply not an option.

Who/what/is Labour now anyway?

Even my staunch Labour voting family members can no longer work it out.

I'm part of a What's App group connected with a hobby. 47 members of the group of which 16 are women - EVERY SINGLE WOMAN said they would no longer consider voting Labour and the majority sited the party's complete failure to recognise or protect women and girls.

AndreaC67 - in the UK, unions are mostly for public-sector workers. And so, therefore, is the Labour party.

Because people feel there isn't a viable alternative to vote for, the the FPTP issues.

In Scotland, people feel there is a viable alternative and voted SNP. The SNP have repeatedly returned a majority despite having a proportional representation system designed to not enable such.

English/UK politics need to move on from the FPTP 2 party system, where many people just vote for the least worse option.

How do people keep voting in the tories?

The system is stacked in their favour. Last election 57.4% of the voters didn't vote for them and yet they got an 80 seat majority.

@Classica

English people are at heart conservative, and very much still in thrall to a public school accent. They think these people are their betters so they do the modern version of tugging the forelock: putting an X next to their name on the ballot paper.

Despite all genealogical evidence to the contrary, I must not be English.

Sadly there's never a motivation for the governing party to change FPTP, since it's worked for them. It's a poor version of democracy though.

@EdgeOfACoin

Because Labour, Lib Dems and Greens genuinely do not seem to know what a woman is. The policies that they would bring in (eg self-ID) has unintended consequences that they fail to comprehend.

All of them are scarily authoritarian. The only opposition to the government's restrictive COVID policies comes from within the Tory party itself (I'm double jabbed and have booked in for the booster, btw).

The Tories are corrupt and inept, but at least most of them are just about in touch with biological reality and show some vague concern regarding some of the restrictions on people's freedoms that have been brought in.

This really. Will be voting conservative for the first time ever. Calling me thick won't change my mind. I refuse to be called thick or uncaring by people like David Lammy who doesn't know what a cervix is and uses his ignorance as a way to smear women concerned about their safety, rights and safe spaces.

Because the Tories have worked out most people only read the headlines, if that, so they can sneak any old shit through under the guise of something else.

For example Dominic (gift of fear) Raab is pushing through changes to the Human Rights Act which will reduce our freedoms as humans. Remember this is a man who said ‘I don’t believe in social or economic rights’ and Co-authored Brittania Unchained’ where he called British workers ‘the worst idlers in the world’, so he won’t have our best interests at heart.

He will be able to push through reforms that mean that not only will workers no longer have the right to withdraw their labour, they can be arrested for protesting against it. However, the headlines will be ‘war on woke!’, ‘foreign terrorists can finally be deported!’ and a large chunk of the electorate will clap like seals in support.

I read the manifestos and voted Tory. I'm not phased by the insults on Tory voters, a random strangers opinion means nothing to me.

Because of you OP and others like you. So utterly sick of labour supporters being so blinkered thinking people only vote tory because they're uneducated, brainwashed, plain thick, or like the funny man with the funny hair.

People aren't thick just because they have different viewpoints to you. Your inability to debate in a nuanced way is what drives people away from engaging with stupid threads like these

I dislike the tories but voted for them last time round because I utterly despise the SNP. I'm in the process of moving south and am ecstatic I won't have to vote tory to keep the SNP out ever again.

@Classica

Jeremy Corbyn who was leader of the opposition at the last election and was subsequently ejected from his own party? Yeah he was a great alternative..:

Not my point.

My point is that even in the latter part of 2021, in the light of all the recent and ongoing Tory corruption, Tory voters refuse to acknowledge it.

They simply stick their head in the sand and go on about Jeremy Corbyn.

In 2021.

Yes because the question is why did people vote tory. Well in the last general election lots of people voted tory because of corbyn

So only people who think like you do should be allowed to vote? That’s the tolerant, caring left attitude we’ve come to expect.

The alternative to the tories looked even worse. That’s it - that’s why the massive swing from former red wall voters, because people like you sneer at them for Brexit and wanting to better themselves and them having reservations about men changing with their daughters and grand daughters and calling them racist and they expect to have to pay for things like the internet

Maybe try listening to other people. You might learn something

Jeremy Corbyn
Dianne Abbott
Keir Starmer

Boris Johnson
Priti Patel
Dominic Raab ......?

Always vote Labour.
Does it matter, what do any of them achieve? Honestly, utter shambles the lot of them.

@StillWalking

Because the thought of Labour being in power makes me even more fearful for the future of our country than I currently am with Boris and co in charge. Caught between a rock and a hard place politically ....... they are the lesser evil IMO.

How? Just how? What do you fear? How could it be worse than persistent lying, cheating, corruption, law breaking etc etc etc? I get people having different political opinions from mine. I don’t get how anyone can believe what you wrote. Can you explain it? At all? Or are you just making excuses? Parroting right wing press? What?

Because your vote is for your best local mp. If they happen by be streets ahead of any of the others then so be it.