How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

@TooBigForMyBoots

A combination of a RW press and single issue politics. It's ok for a Tory government to be corrupt liars who have wrecked the country because "Labour".🙄

Pretty much.

Labour are always held to much higher standards than the Tories.

The widespread excusing of corruption, recklessness and incompetence on here is quite something.

@OhPeeQueue

Can Andy Burnham or Sadiq Khan ever become Labour leaders?

I bloody hope not. Sadiq Khan is absolutely useless as mayor. The prospect of him being in charge of government is utterly terrifying.

@Whammyyammy

I voted tory and will again as there is no alternative, other than spoiling my vote.

With some of your suggestions OP, have you considered relocating to North Korea? Their voting system seems right uo your street

How do people keep voting in the tories?

Because there isnt a viable opposition to vote for. The opposition has one job to do. Instead they've supported the Tories on all the main issues - austerity, UC, dismantling the benefits safety net, self ID.
If they can't do their job in opposition why would we trust them to govern?

You're a bit naive if you don't think many of us can remember equally corrupt and/or incompetent Labour governments.

I didn't vote Tory but can understand why people do.

And this is why the left continually fail, Shut down/abuse/label any opposing view.

I know. Not capable of understanding an alternative viewpoint. Instead they mock the people who once voted for them, and are surprised and angry when those same people say they've had enough. Maybe they should stop blocking people and just listening to their own echo chamber. It might be less of a shock for them when they emerge into the real world to watch the votes being counted.

@Cheesewineandpickle

I think the Tories are the better option for working class and poorer people. Historically they weren’t but they are now. Labour are for public service workers who are unionised.

eh? how are "public service workers who are unionised" not working class?

The widespread excusing of corruption, recklessness and incompetence on here is quite something.

They don't even address the corruption, all they can say is 'but Jeremy Corbyn...' as a distraction.

Labour are always held to much higher standards than the Tories.

No, held to the same standard. And failing badly. Even worse than the Tories. Which really should provide the answer to the ops question.

@DirectionToPerfection

I find the argument that 'the rest are worse' pretty unconvincing.

People clearly have very low standards if they believe a dishonest, incompetent, self-serving buffoon is a better bet for Prime Minister than someone like Keir Starmer.

Even if your argument was the view of everyone else, Starmer wasn't leader of the Labour Party during the last election.

@fourminutestosavetheworld

You're a bit naive if you don't think many of us can remember equally corrupt and/or incompetent Labour governments.

I didn't vote Tory but can understand why people do.

I am 59 so I can recall most governments since 1974.

I can't recall an equally corrupt government of any colour to this one.

Sadiq Khan is absolutely useless as mayor.
The prospect of him being in charge of government is utterly terrifying.

Boris Johnson was absolutely useless as mayor.
The prospect of him being in charge of government is utterly terrifying.

Its a very difficult subject, do you care that 1 in 4 trans teens try to commit suicide? they are marginalised, often scared to even leave the house, subject to attack, even murdered. Do we feed that narrative?
Equally, we have the right to go about our business without seeing, what we consider a man in our space. Labour condemned the threats Rosie Duffield got, however, abuse dished out to our MPs is quite frankly sickening, vile threats of gang rape, mutilation, murder are common place. We've had two MPs murdered in the last 5 years, Raynor has panic alarms all around her house, her kids want her to pack up politics. At least Labour are not sweeping the issues under the carpet, do you know the Tories views/ideas on Trans?

This post illustrates so much of what is pernicious in this debate.
Because I object to a woman being condemned for stating a fact about female biology I am accused of being complicit in the deaths of teenagers.

MPs get abuse from members of the public outside their party. Rosie Duffield was getting it from inside her OWN party at her OWN conference. You can surely see the difference.

@Classica

The widespread excusing of corruption, recklessness and incompetence on here is quite something.

They don't even address the corruption, all they can say is 'but Jeremy Corbyn...' as a distraction.

Jeremy Corbyn who was leader of the opposition at the last election and was subsequently ejected from his own party? Yeah he was a great alternative..:

Even if your argument was the view of everyone else, Starmer wasn't leader of the Labour Party during the last election.

Now that It's his turn to 'shine', has Keir managed to step up and tell us what a woman is yet?

Thought not.

Doctors, arguably teachers, nurses, civil servants, aren’t traditionally working class.

@Classica

English people are at heart conservative, and very much still in thrall to a public school accent. They think these people are their betters so they do the modern version of tugging the forelock: putting an X next to their name on the ballot paper.

There’s a perception amongst people of many different walks of life, most of whom have no more liking for Boris Johnson than anyone else, rightly or wrongly, that Labour is mainly interested in taking from those who work hard and giving to those who don’t. It hasn’t helped that Labour appear to be represented in recent years by a bundle of underemployed Extinction Rebellion / Insulate Britain / Momentum who wang on about things the average person can see are nonsense or just plain doesn’t care about.

You can go on until you’re blue in the face that this isn’t true and accuse people of benefit bashing and transphobia and what-not, but this does nothing to dispel that perception - which is what needs to happen for people to change their vote.

For those praising what labour have done or would do with regards to the NHS.

May be you should remember the PFI debt for the British taxpayer is more than £300bn for infrastructure projects, with a value of £54.7bn. A lot of our Hospitals were built using PFI under labour including my local one that is in a state of disrepair and the reason we cannot have a new one or replace it is because we are still paying an extortionate amount of interest on it today.

Buy now pay later (years to come) with huge interest labour.

Jeremy Corbyn who was leader of the opposition at the last election and was subsequently ejected from his own party? Yeah he was a great alternative..:

Not my point.

My point is that even in the latter part of 2021, in the light of all the recent and ongoing Tory corruption, Tory voters refuse to acknowledge it.

They simply stick their head in the sand and go on about Jeremy Corbyn.

In 2021.

@Glentheredbeakbattleostrich

Why don't you have a go at the utter failure that is the labour party? They are not fit for purpose. What about those who chose not to vote? Those who spoil their ballot?

I never understand this view. Starmer has kicked Corbyn out, stamped out antisemitism, and is so completely different and full of integrity (unlike Boris).

And the main issue facing Labour is Scotland. It’s unlikely they’ll be voted back in while the SNP has a Scottish stronghold.

Lack of a viable and credible alternative.

They were the only party willing to drop the reform of the gender recognition act. As a woman with daughters this pretty much left me with no choice as I can’t see how I can vote for a party that doesn’t recognise women as a separate sex to men. The increased tax on anyone earning above 70k was a vote killing policy from Labour. The same old story of Labour being fiscally irresponsible their manifesto was lovely fairy dust paid for by other peoples endless money apparently and that scared voters away. I am glad the tories are doing a much needed review of child services in this country. I don’t want an autocratic Labour nanny state that resembles 1984. Labour have become liberal elites who have moved too far from the working class. To be honest op this has been done to death on here so it is pretty obvious why the tories will keep winning by majorities for the for foreseeable.

Its a very difficult subject, do you care that 1 in 4 trans teens try to commit suicide? they are marginalised, often scared to even leave the house, subject to attack, even murdered. Do we feed that narrative?

Food for thought.

fairplayforwomen.com/suicide/

It's also useful to know that the likelihood of being murdered as a transperson in the UK is extremely low. In fact, they are one of the safest groups out there. Which is great. Isnt it.

Boris Johnson was absolutely useless as mayor.
The prospect of him being in charge of government is utterly terrifying.

I'd be suprised if he was still there next election - not amazed as he's got past a fair bit - but I strongly supect Tories will knife him in the back at some point next year. I've already heard Tory grandees stating his government is a populist one not a conservative one - ie distance.