How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

@MysteriesOfTheOrganism re the gordon brown clip that was 10 years ago ? Is he leader now ? Keir Starmer lives with a woman so I guess he knows ?

I honestly do not know what Labour's policies are on anything

No, me neither.

And no matter what the current polls say, when people are in the voting booth and thinking about people like Corbyn being in charge, and more latterly Rayner being in a senior position, they will hold their noses and vote for the Tories in numbers.

Why do Labour keep shooting the selves in the foot with their structure?
Starmer (who's a waste of space himself) clearly wants Rayner out but has no power to remove her - and as a Northerner I can tell you she's roundly despised by large swathes of her 'home region'.

It's a ridiculous situation.

Underlying values of the tories - deceit, corruption, cronyism, yup fine values to adhere to but sadly we can't pull them up on it because then we'd be insulting tory voters who won't vote for anyone else.

Love the Rayner hate. Kind of demolishes the argument that true feminists support the tories doesn't it ? I don't like her politics but she's a w/c woman done good, pulled herself up from a difficult background etc but what do MNetters comment on ? Her horrible accent, brash dress sense, awful parenting skills - and that was in a recent abysmal thread dedicated to her. Laughable when many of the posters claimed on the same thread that the LP hate the w/c. Hypocrisy at its most blatant.

@SofiaMichElf levelling up going well ? Lol

You don't have to hate Angela Rayner, and I'm not a great fan, to think that the Islington cadre consider the working class and the small trades a bit stupid, and show it fairly blatantly.

[quote Likkleredridinghood]@SofiaMichElf levelling up going well ? Lol[/quote]
I have never voted Conservative, and never, ever will.

There's nothing funny about deprived areas losing out on what they were promised, whether that pleases you in a "told you so, Tory voters!" kinda way, or not.

Lol.

Didn’t vote Tory but couldn’t vote Labour either because of Jeremy Corbyn. I gave up on him when he blamed the UK government agencies instead of Russia for the attempted assassination of Sergey Shlipov. Boris is a disaster in charge but Corbyn would have been worse.

I miss Tony Blair so much 😭

No one likes this government, not even their own backbenchers. But they’ll win elections until Labour stop trying to appeal to extremists within their party and instead make a credible pitch to ‘Middle England.’ I quite like Sir Keir but at the moment Labour supports sending rapists to women’s prisons if they identify as female, and closing private schools. Can’t vote for Labour = Tories win.

@SofiaMichElf I actually live in a red wall town in the north. Common view here is that it is truly a s**t hole. We now have 2 out of 3 tory mps, a tory dominated council. 11 years of tory government. No levelling up whatsoever. In fact things went rapidly downhill with austerity and have never improved. So to see folk happy to accept more of this by voting in the same incompetent muppets is a bit dispiriting. Especially when people who have never stepped foot in towns like mine tell me the tories understand the w/c and labour don't know what a woman is. Funnily enough most of us would rather have our 5 libraries back, numerous surestarts, decent schools and a town centre that doesn't resemble something from a 3rd world country.

There's nothing funny about deprived areas losing out on what they were promised, whether that pleases you in a "told you so, Tory voters!" kinda way, or not..

Those Tory voters have well and truly shafted the rest of us for what they thought was their own self- interest. Sympathy is very thin, and non-existent when it turns out that they misjudged their own self-interest by trusting a bunch of Etonians and a well-documented liar.

@Overthebow

Because I’d rather conservatives than labour being in power. I agree with their general principals and the majority of their manifestos, more than I agree with other parties. In other words, the best of a bad bunch.

Absolutely this.

@Likkleredridinghood

What ate the underlying values of the tory party ?

Generation of national wealth. Personal responsibility over collective responsibility. Patriotism. Socially conservative.

Their dark side being jingoism, egocentricity and enabling of the robber barons.

[quote Likkleredridinghood]@MysteriesOfTheOrganism re the gordon brown clip that was 10 years ago ? Is he leader now ? Keir Starmer lives with a woman so I guess he knows ?[/quote]
Yes, that was 10 years ago. And for the past 5 years I've been hearing pretty much everyone on the left calling people ignorant, stupid and racist for voting for Brexit. The left's failure to understand the Brexit vote is why Labour are currently unelectable. (I voted Remain, BTW.)

National wealth hasn’t increased evenly hence huge increases in inequality, worsening of the north south divide; their management of the economy is far from good if you look at the statistics; Brexit which is a coming shitshow happened as a result of the above policies not because northern folk inherently like Tory policies; deceit, corruption, cronyism, but a few adolescent left wing keyboard warriors on SM persuade you that the LP is unelectable. I think it’s sad that their ineptitude is staring you in the face and you let them off the hook. So what if you voted remain. You seem to support their policies which are systematically destroying industries en masse and thousands of small businesses all over the country. Like it or not the tide is turning against them.

“Yes, that was 10 years ago. And for the past 5 years I've been hearing pretty much everyone on the left calling people ignorant, stupid and racist for voting for Brexit. The left's failure to understand the Brexit vote is why Labour are currently unelectable. (I voted Remain, BTW.)”

You missed out GULLIBLE they believed the Brexit diatribe, there never was any chance of “cherry picking”.

I don’t understand how given the fact that Tories were in power for over a decade now, the blame is still shifted on the Left or now Jeremy Corbyn et al

The best way to explain it is this.
Labour voters used to hate Maggie with a passion. Those people now hate Labour as it is in the same way.
This core of Labour voters either won't vote, or vote anything but Labour.
Cornyn had people's hearts involved, unfortunately the we hate outnumbered the we loves.
Starmer will never gain this. So he will lose.

@WatchMyChops

I don’t understand how given the fact that Tories were in power for over a decade now, the blame is still shifted on the Left or now Jeremy Corbyn et al

I dont think any one is blaming Labour for the current problems, other than being a ineffective opposition that is incapable of holding the government to account. So far Starmer has been a disappointment so he needs to up his game and have the whole of the party behind him the Labour Party have some chance to make a difference.

How are they supposed to hold the government to account apart from PMQ's? I genuiney don't understand. My MP is Chris Bryant who I now have a grudging respect for despite being annoyed at some of his voting record and also being a blairite. Starmer looks to be wanting the party to go back to blairism aka Ttory lite.

I am not a labour voter and my party although increasing council seats slowly year on year are not seen as credible.
All I know is that the party in the power seats are corrupt, keep trying to make electoral changes to boundaries that favour them and make policies that benefit very few.
The vote for policies website was briliant and let you pick all policies that appealed to you and then told you at the end what percentage of each party's policies you had picked.
Voting records of MP's are publicly available for voters to see what they'll get. A tool that seems under utilised.
I recommend Private Eye for scrutiny of all parties and the things they do that main stream media doesn't report.

Possibly the most ignorant part of your posts so far is where you insist that people who vote Conservative only do so because they have no idea about politics. That somehow you know better, and that if only people educated themselves they'd agree with you.

I have a 2:1 in the subject from a top 5 university. I read, I discuss, I analyse. And I vote Conservative.

The shock that many middle class white people are in every time the Conservative party win another election is largely because they consider themselves to be better educated than the masses and surround themselves with people who agree with their views of the world. Exactly what they accuse Conservative voters of...

And that you say

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I recommend Private Eye for scrutiny of all parties and the things they do that main stream media doesn't report.

Without any sense of irony - as if PE is the final bastion of an independent press - sums it up nicely.

I love how people on the left pretend to be the supporters of tolerance and open-mindedness, and then makes comments about banning whole swathes of the population from voting because they hold a different opinion to themselves.
I vote Tory, not because I think they are great, but I broadly agree with right of centre principles and the Tory party are the most closely aligned with this vision.
If I was on the left, o wouldn’t be railing at the Tories right now, but at Labour for not providing a decent and effective opposition

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WatchMyChops

I don’t understand how given the fact that Tories were in power for over a decade now, the blame is still shifted on the Left or now Jeremy Corbyn et al confused

I dont think any one is blaming Labour for the current problems, other than being a ineffective opposition that is incapable of holding the government to account. So far Starmer has been a disappointment so he needs to up his game and have the whole of the party behind him the Labour Party have some chance to make a difference."

So funny. I agree with what You wrote Crazykatie, but you just blamed the Labour Party for not being up to the job.

@Likkleredridinghood

What ate the underlying values of the tory party ?

Small stare, low taxes...

Yes, taxes are going up under a Conservative government but that probably goes some way to explain the recent by election result.

I'm firmly of the view that the state is intrinsically incompetent and wasteful, therefore I would prefer to make my own decisions on where to spend my own money.

I'm voting Green from now on. I know they don't know what a woman is but they know what climate change is at least.