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How do people keep voting in the tories?

946 replies

chaosmaker · 14/12/2021 11:19

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

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Bollindger · 31/12/2021 11:12

I would have voted for David Miliband, lots of Tory voters thought the same.
Just like lots of Labour voters voted Tory as they couldn't support a JC.
Labour have massive issues and after 10 plus years are still the same.
Why can't or won't you see Labour are subpar .

idiotmagnet · 31/12/2021 11:14

@inkworks273

I honestly don't know why working class people would ever vote conservative. I'm in Scotland and we NEVER vote Tory and yet here we are still landed with them.
Same in Wales. I feel your pain...
idiotmagnet · 31/12/2021 11:16

@Newcomer68

Fundamentally, because they don't care about the consequences of their actions on the less fortunate members of society and they think all immigrants are evil, grasping, subhuman monsters. (I often wonder, under this lot, what would have happened to World War Two refugees seeking sanctuary from the Nazis. I can see the likes of Farage foaming at the mouth and whipping up hysteria and hatred even now.)

Because people have short memories. Eighteen years of Thatcherism it took last time, before they were kicked out (and then it was for a centre left Tory lite party - though I'd go back to those years in a heartbeat).

Because their parents always voted Tory - mother's excuse. Right up until the Poll Tax she was a devout Tory, which given our living circumstances and social position, made exactly zero sense.

Because they've been "brought up that way" (a reason given only this week by a Tory farmer in North Shropshire).

Because they're okay with sleaze, corruption, lying on an international scale, and making England (in particular) a laughing stock overseas. Plus they're just fine with what's left of the UK (or England, anyway - there's still hope for Ireland and Scotland and maybe even Wales) being sold off to American, Chinese and Russian capitalists. That includes the NHS being dismantled, education policies being dictated by Gove and his mates (I know he's not education secretary currently but he did a whole heap of damage when he was).

Then there's the whole regional unfairness of the Social Care bill and the right to protest gradually being eroded, and the Human Rights Act being dismantled. (Anyone who doesn't believe this is happening might like to read a few news sources that aren't the BBC, the Sun, the Express, the Telegraph, or the Daily Mail.) Terribly convenient, all these smokescreens about Peppa Pig and Downing Street Christmas Parties a year ago and the amazingly timed new Covid variant. (No, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. Yes, I believe the virus is real. But some of the timings are very, very convenient. Anyone but me wondering where that recent death that occured in someone with the new variant was? Just a county will do.)

Because some of them are filthy rich and will never suffer enough financial or material loss in this lifetime to make them understand what they've done. And those who aren't filthy rich are often on nice comfy final salary pensions and haven't had to face reality since the early 1990s or even before. Though with the cost of living increases heading our way next year who knows, maybe even they'll start realising they're not untouchable.

Because some parts of the country are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome on a mass scale. (So, Red Wall, how's that Levelling Up thing working out for you right now?!)

Because they're brainwashed by the mainstream media and critical thinking is not taught in our education system.

Because they lack the ability to think through the logical consequences of Tory/coalition policies. What we're living through now is a direct result of decisions taken in 2010-11. What we face in 2030 will be a direct result of decisions taken and legislation created now, and much of it doesn't look pretty, at least for England.

And sadly, because we don't have PR in the UK and we currently lack an effective opposition.

I don't think Labour is perfect, by any means. If I voted with my heart (and the fact that I still care, despite everything, about the future of this insane species I apparently belong to), I'd vote Green. But in the circumstances, I'll vote pragmatically for whoever has the best chance, locally, of getting the Tories out. (Despite living in a constituency where a Beach Donkey with a blue rosette would get elected by most of the population I live in hope that demographics and the laws of physics may change that at some point.)

Oh, yeah, and obviously Corbyn was the AntiChrist who would have destroyed the country.

This.
JohnHuffam1812 · 31/12/2021 11:18

Kier Starmer is an excellent leader, very professional and self made. He rips Boris apart every pmqs.

He has appointed a strong shadow cabinet.

Policies aren't laid out yet because it's not an election, Miliband set them out early and found popular ones adopted by the Tories.

Why can't you see that I just think you are repeating the same platitudes about every Labour leader. You're a Tory voter and even thought he tories are grossly incompetent, corrupt and have fucked up even then things they promised at the last election you still repeat the mantra that Labourb are unelectable.

It's a good tactic because maybe it's excused you from the responsibility of your vote, no maybe it convinces others.

But it stops working after a while

Bollindger · 31/12/2021 11:24

Labour are not in power. So checking the batteries on Labour are unelectable, still good for a few years.
Boris is very much a Jester left to rule while the King is away, Starmer may be all the things you say, but No one could ever claim he is a King, or that the is a Warwick in the Labour ranks right now.

JohnHuffam1812 · 31/12/2021 11:28

But you are using the "labour are unelectable " point now, you've done it in this thread.

The other stuff about King's and Wareick is just rubbish.

The tories have used every person of talent in the last 12 years. They have very few left. Sunak the billionaire s not electable.

Bollindger · 31/12/2021 11:43

People look at the big flashy signs, and right now it still says unelectable.
Because Starmer is not a king in waiting. He is not and never will be . He would need a King Maker, there have been many in history who did this job. Labour do not have a person to take this role.
Boris did. Tony did, Cameron did.
Maggie, well she was a force in her own right.
Starmer does not have what it takes.
Liz , well she could be Queen if she wants it enough this time.

JohnHuffam1812 · 31/12/2021 11:50

"Starner does not have what it takes" in your opinion.

Funnily enough it's what gets said about every labour leader by Tory supporters.

You elected Boris as your leader. Shows how good your judgement is.

Mercurial123 · 31/12/2021 12:02

Starner does not have what it takes

If you mean he's not corrupt, involved in sleaze and his personal life isn't from an episode of Jeremy Kyle than I agree with you. Oh and spelling his name correctly would be polite.

My cat could do a better job than BoJo.

whenwillthemadnessend · 31/12/2021 14:24

I did because at the time

We had no covid !!!!

I didn't agree with labours ideas on brexit and on women being women

Lib Dem's were a non entity and I still can't forgive them for uni fees

Corbyn was just awful

However now I'd would
Consider Labour but I hate Angela raynor

Starmer seems like a decent guy but he needs to put his ideas forward more as all we ever hear is what tories have done wrong

So the system still isn't right We need a strong serious opposition but my main concerns going forward will be nhs and cost of living and fuel.

whenwillthemadnessend · 31/12/2021 14:24

Oh and of course climate change

YourenutsmiLord · 31/12/2021 14:49

Maggie, well she was a force in her own right

Maggie only got in because the country was in a mess and the men didn't want it. Ditto T May.

Bollindger · 31/12/2021 14:53

You keep missing the point.
A leader needs something about him. Something people can react to.
Otherwise they don't get elected.
Ed Miliband springs to mind.
If a person has the right back up crew, they are set, but Labour doesn't. It is just sort of there, like the wall flower at the party.
No matter how good their ideas are if you can't bring this image forward, your doomed to fail.

Crazykatie · 31/12/2021 15:58

@YourenutsmiLord

Maggie, well she was a force in her own right

Maggie only got in because the country was in a mess and the men didn't want it. Ditto T May.

Correct, but no comparison otherwise
Bollindger · 31/12/2021 16:06

And what did I say , Torys get in when things are bad.

MysteriesOfTheOrganism · 31/12/2021 16:08

The current bunch are incompetent - although they do excel at cronyism and self-interest. Unfortunately, Labour are only interested in wokeism and have zero respect for the aspirations of the ordinary people of this country, whom they regard as ignorant, stupid and bigoted. None of the other minor parties seem any better. I don't have anyone to vote for.

Zeebrazebra · 31/12/2021 16:16

@MysteriesOfTheOrganism come on shock us who called the ordinary people of this country ignorant, stupid and bigoted ? Which labour MP ? To me the tories have taken us for mugs and ripped all of us off.
But you are oddly fixated with wokeism. Weird Confused

Alysskea · 31/12/2021 16:21

@TheCreamCaker

Jeremy Corbyn Dianne Abbott Keir Starmer
I raise you: Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock
Lurkerlot · 31/12/2021 16:22

@MysteriesOfTheOrganism what woke policies to Labour have?

Lurkerlot · 31/12/2021 16:23

*do

MysteriesOfTheOrganism · 31/12/2021 16:38

[quote Lurkerlot]@MysteriesOfTheOrganism what woke policies to Labour have?[/quote]
Try asking Keir Starmer what a woman is... Grin

Lurkerlot · 31/12/2021 16:53

@MysteriesOfTheOrganism

I’ll ask again - what woke policies does Labour have?

MysteriesOfTheOrganism · 31/12/2021 19:00

[quote Zeebrazebra]@MysteriesOfTheOrganism come on shock us who called the ordinary people of this country ignorant, stupid and bigoted ? Which labour MP ? To me the tories have taken us for mugs and ripped all of us off.
But you are oddly fixated with wokeism. Weird Confused[/quote]
Gordon Brown!

MysteriesOfTheOrganism · 31/12/2021 19:10

[quote Lurkerlot]@MysteriesOfTheOrganism

I’ll ask again - what woke policies does Labour have?[/quote]
I honestly do not know what Labour's policies are on anything - and I don't care that much. I actually focus on the underlying values of a political party, not the promises they make in their manifestos. Values are a better guide to what they will actually do in government.

Likkleredridinghood · 31/12/2021 19:31

What ate the underlying values of the tory party ?

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