How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

You can't claim that.

They got in last time on a one issue election.

The two elections before that produced a small majority and a one which needed propping up with the Ulster Unionists. Before that they needed a coalition.

As said lots of Tories are way too over confident about the result of the one issue election. Its likely not to be replicated.

Because the parties are all as bad as each other, so why not keep the current party in and give them a chance of some continuity?
If labour were in power the same questions would still be asked and we'd still be moaning.
TBH, I think we are not in a situation to complain about our government or the state of our country in general. I watched the report the other day about children trying to earn enough for a piece of bread in Afghanistan. Same thing happens in many other countries. We have free healthcare and education, and a better support system than a hell of a lot of other places. We should be thankful that whoever is in government makes sure this continues.

We are totally in a situation to complain about the government and the state we are in.

That's called democracy, saying its better than Afghanistan is a cop out.

BTW if a Labour government had been as corrupt and inept as this government the press would have hung them out to dry.

Boris and his cronies have got off easily.

@JohnHuffam1812

You can't claim that.

They got in last time on a one issue election.

The two elections before that produced a small majority and a one which needed propping up with the Ulster Unionists. Before that they needed a coalition.

As said lots of Tories are way too over confident about the result of the one issue election. Its likely not to be replicated.

It was a 2 issue election One Brexit, Two Corbyn was a prat. Previous election if he had decisive policies Labour would had beaten Theresa May and we would have likely stayed in the Customs Union.

If Labour stopped fighting amongst themselves they would be electable, at present it doesn’t look good for Starmer, despite Tory extremism.

So let's say that the Torys got in power on the back of a big idea, Brexit.
Before that Blair's big idea was Time for a change.
Corbyn was hoping for this and hoped Student Power would push him past the winning post.
Even the Big Red Bus, was an event in time.
Can you see what I am getting at? Right now Labour have nothing. Nothing people can get behind. Unless they find something they will lose.

It was a one issue election really.

Corbyn was very secondary and had done relatively well at the previous election. The problem was, in the leave voting sears in the north, having a second vote was very, very unpopular.

Brexit was the defining issue.

Right now labour have nothing? Tory corruption,. Mismanagement of covid, failure to deliver the brexit promised. These are all issues that will come up.

Although I think the constant demands that Labour put forward policy now are a little off. No parry puts forward exact policy till closer to an election.

By which point the Tories will have been in power for 14 years.

It has to be a Positive thing.
Torys are bad. Yep that is a great one. Not.
Also you just proved my point, because you can't think of a rallying point for Labour.
This is why they will lose, they are AWOL.

Didn't prove your point at all.

As said policies don't get announced years before an election. You'd have been saying the same thing in '95 (or probably that John Smith was a socialist on 94).

Also, as said before, in marginal seats votes against count as much as votes for.

All of the red wall are marginals as are many others.

"They are awol"

Stop repeating rubbish.

I know there is a movement on social media to create a narrative that suits and then gets repeated but the labour party are not awol.

Also say because of Covid , not Brexit, we have maxed out lines of credit to help the country. Billions have been used to support ever sector of the UK.
This means tax rises need to be used to pay for the UK to recover. Normally it would have been Labour who have spent out and the Conservatives who picked up votes to move the country on from these events, however , we are in the strange position of who is in power. Labour therefore have to wait for finances to recover before they can start the cycle again .
I think maybe not this Election but the one after , and a new leader.

Johnson will likely not lead the party into the next election, because the current lot are pretty tarnished a relatively unknown will come to the fore, in the way Thatcher did. Shiny new policies of course, although with so many anti EU MPs I don’t see the reality changing much.

Covid has complicated everything when that is overcome proper politics will resume, turning Labour around to get a working majority seems a long way off

"We have maxed out lines of credit to help our country".

Not how national debt works.
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"Normally it would have been labour that spent out

Over the last 70 years labour have borrowed less and paid back more than the tories for each year they were in power. Again not factual.

There will be money for labour spending, just as there will for (and was) for Tory spending.

It's funny how Labour always need a new leader.

Most of the finance has been from Quantitive Easing that does not have to be repaid, in reality government loans don’t get repaid, another loan is started to pay off the old one, plus any interest.

Do you remember the last Labour Chancellor, the one who wrote the "Nothing left" note. Many a true word is said in jest..... that note will never go away.
Plus Covid has masked everything including the Brexit Bounce.
Labour would have used that to gain momentum for a win.

That wasn't a labour chancellor, it was a different minister. It wasn't true either.

It's an extension of a joke that has run for decades between incoming an outgoing ministers. "Sorry about the mess old cock" Reggie Maudlin to James Callaghan in '64 for example. Other examples we don't hear because ministers recognise it as a private joke.

There was money left.

There is no brexit bounce.

Labour should have been on top of the Brexit Bounce, The one where there was no toilet rolls and the UK became a lorry park.
Labour should have been shouting "We can do better".
The Covid Mask helped the Torys, and left Labour as helpless as everyone else in the country.

In fact Labour were more likely to do well if Brexit is a disaster, of course Covid is going to be used as an excuse for it not working out now

Labour were saying we can do better ans critical of government policy on brexit.

I think there is a self fulfilling prophecy here, people choose not to listen or see what is going on then repeat a narrative that suits their own bias.

Boris is going, we all know that.
If I were him, I would say once Covid dies down, that I had done my time, that I feel I got the Brexit deal done, accept becoming a Lord and bow out. Before he gets pushed.

So now we have a New Tory Lead in power with a majority , strange as normally the New leader is because we lost. But like David Cameron, it gives Boris a walk away on a win.
So yet again Labour are stood there thinking, hey what happened and scratching their heads , as no power, on vision and no hope.

Definitely, huge areas where I live in Wales were rebuilt and transformed by EU funding with huge blue plaques declaring that.

Yes indeed, Ebbw Vale is now a prosperous metropolis thanks to the EU-funded cableway.

Or not.

I think you are under estimating the electorate. Another tory leader will be the 4 th in 14 years. There is only so many times you can convince people the new boss is different to the old boss.

Did anyone claim the Ebbw Vale is a metropolis? Or that it got significant EU funding that it will struggle to replace from Westminster?

Boris and his cronies have got off easily.
With regard to support from the media ..,. None of the media saw the Shropshire by election win coming - amazing really after the crooked Own Patterson stuff.
But the electorate gave them a thrashing.

46JohnHuffam1812 can you not see what I am saying and why?
How I vote is what seems to Always happen. I do look and decide how to vote, pretty much the same as every other armchair voter. I am saying Labour needs to get my vote to win. Right now they won't.
It really is about winning the hearts of the voters.

Because I think you are being overconfident on the behalf of the tories.

Winning the hearts of the voters happens in the election campaign not in the years preceeding. Losing the voters does happen then though.

Oh and if labour have to work ton earn your vote otherwise you'll vote tory again, you aren't a floating voter. You're a Tory voter