How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

I'm not voting to have even more money taken from me.

@Viviennemary

I'm not voting to have even more money taken from me.

Mmm. That’s proves my point.

@Viviennemary

I'm not voting to have even more money taken from me.

This always tickles me people don’t pay enough tax to cover their own bloody expenses to the tax payer never mind anybody else’s

@Viviennemary

I'm not voting to have even more money taken from me.

This Conservative government are taking more money from you. They put National Insurance up. How much more money were Labour going to take @Viviennemary?

@AuntyBumBum

Because when your wages, conditions and job & home security are diminished by deregulating the job market and the housing market you vote for change.

@C8H10N4O2

FFS just about the only employment protection we have comes from EU directives. And absolutely none of it, not one jot, comes from Tories. If this is offered as proof that leave voters at the bottom of heap made a sensible decision, or that change can only make things better and that they can't be any worse off than they were in the EU, I remain speechless unconvinced!

That isn't true in fact but more to the point - its not remotely what I said.

Let me summarise it for you - I said than when life is shit you vote for change because you feel you have nothing much to lose. That is a rational option if you are at the bottom of the heap.

Brexit was the biggest potential change in decades and moreover one which every vote counted instead of most people living in otherwise safe seats. Its unsurprising if those on the sharp end of things took the opportunity to shake up the status quo.

As I said upthread - I've campaigned over the years both for Labour and for Remain and have no need to rely on Evil MSM. The assumption by so many here that because I object to WC Brexit voters being called thick I must therefore be a Tory Brexiteer is part of the problem Labour has at the moment.

@granny24

Because people would much rather we didn’t have NHS, the welfare state, proper paid holidays, secondary education for everyone, the Open University, free entry to museums and art galleries, child benefits etc etc etc. Give me ONE thing the Tories have ever introduced for ordinary people. Oh I was forgetting legal aid, especially for women in vulnerable situations.Keep voting for them ladies.

At least they're not confused about what lady is.

Let me summarise it for you - I said that when life is shit you vote for change because you feel you have nothing much to lose. That is a rational option if you are at the bottom of the heap.

Thank you @C8H10N4O2

But let me also summarise what I said. It really is not a rational option.

Life can definitely get shittier for very poor people. If you're at the bottom of the heap in the UK (or any European nation) immediately beneath you there is a safety net which is not a guaranteed feature of the universe. Voting Tory, and leaving the EU will make it shittier under any circumstances. Voting for this particular cabal of mendacious incompetents was ... unwise.

And the EU social chapter has provided a strong selection of workers' rights, bolstered by the ECJ and the supremacy of EU Law. The rest have been provided by Labour. I'm struggling to remember the employment rights brought in by the Tories to help poor voters. I do well remember them vetoing and attempting to thwart many EU workers'-rights directives - rights for agency workers for example. At least those measures will get through the Council of Ministers now. If the objective of UK voters was to generously improve the rights of workers in the EU27 at their own expense then they have been very shrewd indeed, and absolutely not stupid.

Because they can define a woman

@Spottybluepyjamas

Because they can define a woman

As much as any other party. As I've said repeatedly, the current trans debate was made necessary by GRA reforms, proposed by the Conservative party. Their starting point was TWAW.

How have people forgotten that?🤯 How did you forget it @Spottybluepyjamas?

Actually I think you need to do a 180 and think in over a decade WHY have Labour not managed to get elected.?
I mean just how much time do they need to organise themselves?

@Overthebow

Because I’d rather conservatives than labour being in power. I agree with their general principals and the majority of their manifestos, more than I agree with other parties. In other words, the best of a bad bunch.

Yup, Labour supporters always seem to have a great list of things which need to be done with other people's money.

@Bollindger

Actually I think you need to do a 180 and think in over a decade WHY have Labour not managed to get elected.? I mean just how much time do they need to organise themselves?

Exactly. The Tories haven't 'won' the past 2 elections - Labour have handed it to them on a plate.

@EightWheelGirlYou mean like having a list to pay for keeping a functioning infrastructure going ? Or public services to support people less affluent than you ? What on earth are taxes for if not to improve the lives of everyone ? Or just to provide bungs to tory supporters ?

Actually I think you need to do a 180 and think in over a decade WHY have Labour not managed to get elected.?

The media played a huge part in it. Much of it is right wing and they have been very selective in what they report, don't report and how they report it.

I don’t feel that any party really represents my views but think if we had had a labour government we would have spent the last two years in perpetual lockdown. Apart from anything else labour would have closed nurseries which would have destroyed my career. That alone would stop me voting labour probably ever again though I likely won’t vote at all if Boris remains in charge.

So you are basing your vote on what a party would theoretically do rather than what a party has already done ?

@Viviennemary

I'm not voting to have even more money taken from me.

So you won’t vote Tory then? There’s a 10% tax increase for everyone who works coming in April courtesy of the Tories. Perhaps you don’t work?

Again your all at the Tory party.
Labour are not in power, how can they gain power
What do you think labour NEED to do to gain power.
You claim the public are like sheep, so why can't Labour get them to follow,
Your blaming the wrong side. Blaim Labour , they need to do better.

@7eleven

Because they’re selfish bastards who don’t give a monkeys about vulnerable members of society.

Yeah that will tell them and make them vote for labour My child is severely disabled so one of the most vulnerable members society Conservative are the best of a bad bunch , I really wouldn't trust the current labour party to look after my child's interests .

I’ve been in the armed forces for 25 years.

1997 under Blair’s labour and browns’ labour h till 2010 i witnessed some of the worse defence cuts / redundancies / equipment issues ever.

Since this Tory government there’s been record investment in MOD and NATO GDP 2% commitment. More equipment procurement and record salaries.

Working for the government under a Labour Party was absolute misery ss brown was famously quoted “ a pound spent on defence is a pound wasted” and didn’t we feel that policy. 2 major wars and record underfunding.

I’ll never vote labour again. And I voted Tory last time to keep that absolute champagne socialist, terrorist sympathising, oxygen thief Corbyn out of government. He would have dragged us back to a 3 day working week under union control, and nationalised the railways and gas companies ; who would pay for this? The taxpayer.

He’s scum.

@BlokeTarget

I’ve been in the armed forces for 25 years.

1997 under Blair’s labour and browns’ labour h till 2010 i witnessed some of the worse defence cuts / redundancies / equipment issues ever.

Since this Tory government there’s been record investment in MOD and NATO GDP 2% commitment. More equipment procurement and record salaries.

Working for the government under a Labour Party was absolute misery ss brown was famously quoted “ a pound spent on defence is a pound wasted” and didn’t we feel that policy. 2 major wars and record underfunding.

I’ll never vote labour again. And I voted Tory last time to keep that absolute champagne socialist, terrorist sympathising, oxygen thief Corbyn out of government. He would have dragged us back to a 3 day working week under union control, and nationalised the railways and gas companies ; who would pay for this? The taxpayer.

He’s scum.

Yeah I have to say it wasn't much better in the NHS under labour either ,they may have put more money into it but ime, and I worked in mental health it all went into shiny new building,s and loads of new management tiers ,fuck all went into actual patient care plus I was redplyed twice in 12 months between 2005 and 2006 due to government cuts .....

Absolutely x2boys : I can totally sympathise - it’s ironic that our 2 government sectors had record underfunding: yet the country at the end of their term in office was in £175 billion worth of debt wonder where it all went?

@BlokeTarget

Absolutely x2boys : I can totally sympathise - it’s ironic that our 2 government sectors had record underfunding: yet the country at the end of their term in office was in £175 billion worth of debt wonder where it all went?

Their shiney new building,s I expect

@x2boys why ? Tell us what the tories have done to help your severely disabled child ? The investment in SEN ? The way they have ploughed millions into education ? Health care ? Mental health care. Yup. The country's infrastructure has clearly been improved with those 11 years of tory massive investment. Weird how those of us still on the front line don't notice that ...no shiny buildings here, none of the 40 new hospitals, or the 1000s of nurses, doctors. All lies. But funnel millions to your mates, that's ok, Labour are worse. And to cap that no one can criticise the Tories because you are insulting their supporters. Irrational

Haven't read all 16 pages but I think some of the new Tory seats (the Red Wall seats which switched at the last election probably due to Labour being a liability) won't stay Tory. And the surprise 6,000 majority in Shropshire for Lib Dems shows that if people get annoyed enough they will react.
I think there will be a small comeback of Labour and LibDems, at the next election - the problem is at the moment their huge majority but I don't think that will remain -- unless they get rid of Boris and someone trustable comes in instead.