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How do people keep voting in the tories?

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chaosmaker · 14/12/2021 11:19

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

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Lurkerlot · 27/12/2021 09:44

@Dafyddw

And the onus is on KS to change that.

I agree. He could start by publicly stating what a woman is and supporting women's sex based rights. The onus isn't on the voter to vote for labour in the hope that they will see the light and change. The onus is on the party to actually make themselves electable. And at the moment, they are not.

Now where I’m from, in North Wales, this is considered, a metropolitan issue. We still look after our own - no matter how they identify.
elodie77 · 27/12/2021 10:47

3 day working week under union control, and nationalised the railways and gas companies

Yes please! I would gladly pay more taxes for better public services and more quality of life rather than line the pockets of greedy fat cats!

Bollindger · 27/12/2021 15:17

But this is all just a pipe dream.
Labour will not and can not step up to lead.
They have made themselves into this party, one that can not even win when it should be an easy win, if we believe people on this post.
Do you think that might be because your in an echo chamber.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 28/12/2021 18:11

@BlokeTarget

I’ve been in the armed forces for 25 years.

1997 under Blair’s labour and browns’ labour h till 2010 i witnessed some of the worse defence cuts / redundancies / equipment issues ever.

Since this Tory government there’s been record investment in MOD and NATO GDP 2% commitment. More equipment procurement and record salaries.

Working for the government under a Labour Party was absolute misery ss brown was famously quoted “ a pound spent on defence is a pound wasted” and didn’t we feel that policy. 2 major wars and record underfunding.

I’ll never vote labour again. And I voted Tory last time to keep that absolute champagne socialist, terrorist sympathising, oxygen thief Corbyn out of government. He would have dragged us back to a 3 day working week under union control, and nationalised the railways and gas companies ; who would pay for this? The taxpayer.

He’s scum.

The three day week was under a Tory government.
JohnHuffam1812 · 28/12/2021 18:20

Also the biggest defence cuts have come in the last decade under the tories.

The railways have been nationalised.

Energy companies have collapsed and been handed to bigger firms concentrating market power into the hands of the big companies.

I love how these predictions all came true under the tories.

BlokeTarget · 28/12/2021 18:21

In 1974? Electricity going off at 8 o clock at night?

100% a labour government in that period….

As for the one in the 1980’s it was the unions trying to strangle the countries coal supplies in an act of “solidarity brother” but they underestimated Maggie- and she made sure the few open collieries could keep the lights on long enough to break the pickets.

Anyone who wants to cut the electricity off the the population by purposefully picketing coal production isn’t a socialist. They are a terrorist.

BBCONEANDTWO · 28/12/2021 18:22

@inkworks273

I honestly don't know why working class people would ever vote conservative. I'm in Scotland and we NEVER vote Tory and yet here we are still landed with them.
There's no alternative in Scotland apart from the SNP who I would never vote for again. Ever.
daimbarsatemydogsbone · 28/12/2021 18:29

@BlokeTarget

In 1974? Electricity going off at 8 o clock at night?

100% a labour government in that period….

As for the one in the 1980’s it was the unions trying to strangle the countries coal supplies in an act of “solidarity brother” but they underestimated Maggie- and she made sure the few open collieries could keep the lights on long enough to break the pickets.

Anyone who wants to cut the electricity off the the population by purposefully picketing coal production isn’t a socialist. They are a terrorist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Day_Week The Three-Day Week was one of several measures introduced in the United Kingdom in 1973-1974 by the Conservative government at the time.

It is true that in 1984 the NUM underestimated the lengths Maggie would go to smash unions and communities.

As with most governments, Maggie was only ever elected by a minority of voters - most of us (who bothered to vote) didn't want her.

Cam2020 · 28/12/2021 18:30

I don't know many people who actually like who they vote for, they vote to block who they dislike most. Quite a depressing state of affairs really.

JohnHuffam1812 · 28/12/2021 18:40

"In 1974? Electricity going off at 8 o clock at night?"

Sorry, the blackouts happened under Ted Heath, deffo a Tory.

XingMing · 28/12/2021 20:46

I hate to break the news to you, but in 1974, Maggie Thatcher wasn't in power. She might have been a baby new Tory MP. In 1974, James Callaghan (Labour) was PM, and floundering between rampaging inflation and union demands. There wasn't an easy way out. There were massive collapses in everyday services, including power generation, rubbish collection and bodies being buried. The 1970s were awesome in creative terms and shit for routine delivery of public service.

XingMing · 28/12/2021 20:50

I was there: I remember it vividly. And it was appalling for most people. Do not be deceived. It wasn't any kind of golden age.

JohnHuffam1812 · 28/12/2021 20:54

"I hate to break the news to you, but in 1974, Maggie Thatcher wasn't in power. She might have been a baby new Tory MP. In 1974, James Callaghan (Labour) was PM, and floundering between rampaging inflation and union demands."

Ted Heath was Conservative Leader in power duirng the 3 day week, which began in 1973. It then finished after the 1974 general election when Harold Wilson ( not Calaghan) was PM.

Facts are important.

XingMing · 28/12/2021 21:27

And nothing improved.... the 1970s were shitty for most people whoever was in power. There really wasn't a better or worse version of the 1970s that flowed from party politics. It was universally difficult for everyone, whatever your views. You could not choose an option to favour your situation; times were tough for everyone. The super-rich had gone overseas, so taxation fell on anyone who earned a wage.

JohnHuffam1812 · 28/12/2021 21:31

They weren't really shitty because of the people in power though.

The oil crisis drove inflation ( as did Heath's rush for growth) which led to union strikes, which led to the 3 day week and on from there.

YourenutsmiLord · 28/12/2021 22:58

I'm in Scotland and we NEVER vote Tory and yet here we are still landed with them

The whole of Scotland south of the central belt is Tory. - if we go for independence the south should remain with England - the rest can go awa' with thurrr kilts and haggis - byeee!

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/12/2021 02:17

Labour will not and can not step up to lead.

Other parties are available. No one was compelled to vote Conservative or compelled to leave their houses on a winters day, and vote at all.

I am tired of Conservative voters blaming Labour.
Own it. Take responsibility for this corrupt, destructive, frightening, bunch of liars that you voted into power when you didn't have to.

ParsleySageRosemary · 29/12/2021 09:39

I really don’t understand how anyone could look at New Labour and not see that they were just another bunch of elitist, corrupt, destructive bunch of liars.

That is why they need a better vision and the ability to communicate it.

No political party is offering alternatives, they never do. Cultural trends are stronger and more valued than thought, and the trend is to continue valuing hyper-aggressive ‘get quick rich’ merchants and men over sustained regional production and trade. And men over women, and money over people. There is a legacy of lies, propaganda, distraction and statistical excuse-making to overcome, and no one in power gives a shit about any of it. No one.

JohnHuffam1812 · 29/12/2021 12:14

Conservative voters blame Labour in the same way that leave voters blame remain.

It means they don't have to take responsibility for their vote, its "look what you made me do."

Suffolkpunch345 · 29/12/2021 12:21

@inkworks273

I honestly don't know why working class people would ever vote conservative. I'm in Scotland and we NEVER vote Tory and yet here we are still landed with them.
@inkworks273

Speak for yourself! We have the worst drug deaths, obesity and attainment! As well as free baby boxes and prescriptions for millionaires. Yet we pay more tax than down South.

I want things to be fair. I’m happy to pay into a tax pot that helps those down on their luck!

But why are people better off claiming benefits than working ? Why is are childcare so expensive and wages too low?

None of the parties are addressing this. Tory is the best of a bad bunch.

JohnHuffam1812 · 29/12/2021 12:52

"But why are people better off claiming benefits than working ? Why is are childcare so expensive and wages too low?None of the parties are addressing this. Tory is the best of a bad bunch."

No one is better off claiming benefits than working

Labour proposed extending the 30 hours childcare to all children aged between 2 and 4. They also sought to bring back SureStart centres.

They also wanted to bring the minimum wage up to 10 pounds.

There's more. But all that ever happens is we get "Labour don't listen" which doesn't actually look at the policies.

ParsleySageRosemary · 29/12/2021 13:15

@JohnHuffam1812

Conservative voters blame Labour in the same way that leave voters blame remain.

It means they don't have to take responsibility for their vote, its "look what you made me do."

Who said I was a Tory voter? Or a leaver?
ParsleySageRosemary · 29/12/2021 13:16

Is a two-party FPTP system really that much better than a one-party system?

As I said before, it's not a general election year. Try using the time and space to come up with something more productive.

JohnHuffam1812 · 29/12/2021 13:17

I didn't say you did I?

But its a common theme here.

Abhannmor · 29/12/2021 13:27

@ParsleySageRosemary

Is a two-party FPTP system really that much better than a one-party system?

As I said before, it's not a general election year. Try using the time and space to come up with something more productive.

This is the nub of the issue. Under FPTP you can get a big majority even though 6 out of 10 people voted against you. Of course with Proportional Representation you will have to get used to coalitions. Like Germany , Holland or Canada or the Republic of Ireland. Labour have never been convinced of its merits. They'd rather wait their turn at the trough. Even if it takes 20 years.