How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

You have a very distinctive posting style Elodie. Having searched your previous posts I see you have your crib sheet next to you. It's a shame that there's no more depth to it.

@Beckert

You have a very distinctive posting style Elodie. Having searched your previous posts I see you have your crib sheet next to you. It's a shame that there's no more depth to it.

Nice try. Let's just stick to the topic shall we?

@Beckert

I don't think it looks either good or bad at the moment. As I said. Too soon to tell.

I think you are objectively wrong. The OBR's analysis of what has happened so far make that completely clear. Huge drops in trade volumes that simply can't be explained by the pandemic alone.

@Viviennemary

Angela Rayner. Will never vote Labour with the likes of her as deputy.

I second this. She's vile.

@RunningInTheWind

Excellent post C8H - unfortunately I’m not sure the intended recipient understood…

Elodie my dear, have you ever heard of Europe? Fascinating place. Anyway, absolutely TEEMING with zero hours contracts and missed opportunities for the young.

I actually lived in mainland Europe for 15 years, so actually have an understanding of that, “healthcare alternatives”, your idea of socialist paradise and a whole host of other topics.

If you’d be interested in learning more, I could point you towards a site called google and you could DYOR … or quote from the canary - your choice.

How bloody patronising.

@Angelton

The Tories are the only party that knows what a woman is. Until that situation changes there is literally no viable alternative.

This.

There was also the expression of a desire for change. Plenty of Brexit votes were simply cast for change. When you are at the bottom and have nothing to lose then change is worth a chance.

I know you don't like the word "thick" @C8H10N4O2, but I would say anyone who used this reasoning was very clearly unwise. Anyone who voted for change, in the face of pretty much united expert advice, without actually understanding what would change or what the consequences might be, while also thinking that they personally could not be any worse off was ... unwise!

Tories - supposedly small 'state', supposedly lower taxation.

Labour - bigger 'state' more intervention, higher taxation.

As I prefer a smaller state, I prefer the Tories. However this lot have cocked it up big time and wrecked the economy and seem to want to mandate looking out of the window.

@Beckert

I don't think it looks either good or bad at the moment. As I said. Too soon to tell.

It's looking bad. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59714241

It looks like he's leaving because of the covid measures / lock down. At least in part. It's a shame though. It's Boris who needs to resign.

I don’t think he will go yet

We need to go back into lockdown or tighter measures. The resistance from the Tory back benches and some of the public (from both sides of the political spectrum) is a problem for Johnson or any PM and will be for sometime

Who wants to lead the government right now when you have the issue of Covid and doing what is best for society against the fights over personal freedom - no one that is why no one is putting themselves forward they just hanging about in the wings (Hunt especially be careful what you wish for ….)

@HarrietPierce

"No one is arguing that Brexit has turned out well as it's too soon to tell whether if it will or not."

And in the meantime (which according to Rees- Mog could be up to 50 years) farming and fishing are decimated, and small businesses go under.

Out of interest, when was the last time you bought sustainably caught British fish? Does it appear every week in your trolley?

No. Thought not. Until Britain eats its own catch, the industry will be in trouble.

Britain imports the fish it eats and exports the fish it catches. Absolutely crazy.

Look at Frost pretending to leave because of Covid restrictions when most people suspect it’s really because he’s made such a cock-up of Brexit and used a convenient scapegoat to latch on to.

Not to worry he’ll still be a Lord so can still vote in measures which punish vulnerable British people financially. These people make me sick.

@AuntyBumBum

There was also the expression of a desire for change. Plenty of Brexit votes were simply cast for change. When you are at the bottom and have nothing to lose then change is worth a chance.

I know you don't like the word "thick" @C8H10N4O2, but I would say anyone who used this reasoning was very clearly unwise. Anyone who voted for change, in the face of pretty much united expert advice, without actually understanding what would change or what the consequences might be, while also thinking that they personally could not be any worse off was ... unwise!

And there are a lot of unwise people around

But this brings it back to voting Remain and Non-Conservative being good/right and vice versa. I wouldn't dream of saying that to my friends that voted the opposite way to me as they're entitled to hold a different view.

My friend thinks Tony Blair is the greatest PM this century. I can't stand him but I respect their opinion.

Sorry, I meant in the last 100 years, not this century which diminishes the choice rather

In answer to the original question: I voted Tory because a) I don't believe in a nanny state, b) I dislike London based pseudo socialists who despise the working classes they purport to represent, c) they had no clear direction on Brexit and I was sick of the whole shitshow and d) I didn't think Corbyn and any of his proposed cabinet could hold themselves on an international political stage.

Does that answer your question? I am Northern though although not thick having got a first class honors degree back in the day when degrees were not 10 a penny. HTH.

Because I don’t want a load of hand wringing liberals in power, although the conservatives are half way there now

‘b) I dislike London based pseudo socialists who despise the working classes they purport to represent,’

What if the pseudo socialists lived in Kent or Manchester? Or what if they had an office in both Essex and London or commuted to London from Warwick? Would their messages be ok even if they were exactly the same?

Lollling at people who will vote themselves and their families to the food bank queue over their strange beliefs about people from different postcodes.

@THisbackwithavengeance

In answer to the original question: I voted Tory because a) I don't believe in a nanny state, b) I dislike London based pseudo socialists who despise the working classes they purport to represent, c) they had no clear direction on Brexit and I was sick of the whole shitshow and d) I didn't think Corbyn and any of his proposed cabinet could hold themselves on an international political stage.

Does that answer your question? I am Northern though although not thick having got a first class honors degree back in the day when degrees were not 10 a penny. HTH.

Well the nanny state is well and truly under way. And tes they did hand out first class degrees like confetti back in the day, the marking criteria became stricter and even only utilised by some in the late 90’s. MIL is a lecturer of 40 years. She doubts many who studied pre 90’s would even pass now.

They didn't hand them out like confetti back in the day. The standards generally were a lot higher. These days students don't put anywhere near the hard graft in that they did. They spend a lot of time complaining though. There's a prevailing sense amongst many of them that they are buying their degrees so should be given them without putting the level of work in. Bloody obvious really with the high fees, the student being the 'customer' and the unis wanting the cash to keeping rolling in.

Absolute nonsense, the bar to get in to university was set to prevent those who were intelligent but not able to afford to stay on at school from actually being able to infiltrate in the professions and bringing with them much-needed intelligence.
Over the years I’ve met many people from CEOs to doctors who are over 45 and who are thick as mince and wouldn’t get into university now the competition is stiffer.

Anyway the one thing that labour did do right was to level the playing field a little.

You clearly don't work in higher education Jessie. The bar is pretty low these days. As long as you have the cash. It's a continued source of frustration for those of us who have to teach these students.

@TynieTim

You clearly don't work in higher education Jessie. The bar is pretty low these days. As long as you have the cash. It's a continued source of frustration for those of us who have to teach these students.

I dont no. I have two daughters so who ever played for university in the last five years and I can compare their experience with my own in the 90s and there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind that they worked harder for the rideable’s they work hard for their GCSEs and have worked a lot harder at universities and Sieben

• harder for A levels and worked a lot harder in years one to we ever did comparatively.
  I also have friends who were at my year at 6th form in 1992 he walked into teaching with two EEs for a level and is now running a school which blows my mind because I doubt he has the intelligence to run a bath.