How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

Because Labour is a horror show of idiots and misogynists (apart from Rosie Duffield)

HarrietPierce
For example Cornwall will receive just over £1million from the government - a hundred times less than it would have received if the UK stayed in the EU.

In the Summer 2021, Government announced up to £88.7m to support the Town Investment Plans in Cornwall.

www.cornwall.gov.uk/business-trading-and-licences/economic-development/towns-fund/

Government funds for Cornwall Airport Newquay will also be used to support Spaceport Cornwall. After Cornwall was chosen as the meeting site for the upcoming G7 summit, the airport received £7.85 million for an infrastructure update.

orbitaltoday.com/2021/04/16/7-85m-granted-to-airport-newquay-will-also-support-spaceport-cornwall/

They mock and jeer them.

Labour leadership don't mock and jeer at anyone. Boris Johnson is on record doing so.

I don't mock the working classes. I am working class. But I take issue with racism and xenophobia, and I have every right to, particularly as an immigrant.

What do you think should happen with these communities of people who have shamefully been let down by everyone.

I don't have all the answers for this, but more house building in densely populated areas (which to be fair probably aren't the neglected areas you are talking about) and more investment in the education system. Better public services - someone upthread said there was no NHS dentist for 50 miles.

@elodie77

How many doorsteps did you stand on for Labour? How many hours spent canvassing for how many years and across how many elections?

I didn't and I don't understand the point of your questions?

Voters are "thick" if they don't do as they are told No, but what would you call people who in the face of all that is going wrong continue to support this government? Or the fishermen and farmers who mostly voted for Brexit despite warnings and are now facing ruin?

Oh what a surprise. Another lefty armchair clicktivist who thinks "debate" is calling people "thick" if they don't agree with you and when posters decline to engage with you they are playing "victim".

You see I have canvassed and campaigned for Labour, quite possibly since before you were born. Some of my adult DC have done the same. I'm actually from a WC and minority background made good. I know what voters on doorsteps were saying because I actually engaged with them and listened instead of telling them they were stupid if they didn't agree with me.

Corbyn was doorstep poison, a thin skinned intellectual lightweight seen as puppet for the middle class public schoolboys running Momentum. Seen as more interested in ideological purity and identity politics than bringing about actual change, which takes compromise and is messy. McDonnell could have appealed to those voters but also wouldn't have been acceptable to Momentum leadership - less malleable. Corbyn's prevarication on Brexit and refusal to have Labour share a impure platform with pro Europeans in other parties absolutely fudged Labour's message on Europe and don't forget - it was a narrow margin, small mistakes cost.

There was also the expression of a desire for change. Plenty of Brexit votes were simply cast for change. When you are at the bottom and have nothing to lose then change is worth a chance.

Alan Johnson sums it up better than I can here:

But you carry on purity signalling and smugly sneering at anyone who doesn't agree with you with armchair clictivism. That will change absolutely nothing but then those pesky WC voters just don't know what's good for them like you do, do they?

Those two figures you have mentioned cutnpastenova hardly equate to one hundred million.

You see I have canvassed and campaigned for Labour, quite possibly since before you were born. Some of my adult DC have done the same. I'm actually from a WC and minority background made good. I know what voters on doorsteps were saying because I actually engaged with them and listened instead of telling them they were stupid if they didn't agree with me. You appear to be suggesting people aren't allowed an opinion if they haven't canvassed and campaigned on doorsteps?

A lot of incorrect assumptions about me in your post, but perhaps we could just resort to talking about the topic rather than individual posters?

Labour's 2019 manifesto had many pledges for real positive change. Well the Tories have brought about change, but can you honestly say any of it has been positive?

People need jobs that pay a living wage. Not zero contract hours and wages driven down by the abuse of cheap workforces. They need to have a sense of pride, to be able to pay their bills, look after their families, keep a roof over their heads. These are the things that are important to people. Dignity.

HarrietPierce
Those two figures you have mentioned cutnpastenova hardly equate to one hundred million.

(up to) £88.7m + £7.85m is pretty good!

28 October 2021

The Chancellor has announced a £200 million regional fund for the south west as a key part of the Government’s commitment to overcoming regional imbalances, specifically in access to finance for small and medium sized businesses.

The new fund will provide significant scale growth capital for businesses and offer a combination of debt and equity funding to help businesses grow and create jobs.

businesscornwall.co.uk/news-by-industry/public-sector-news-categories/2021/10/chancellor-announces-200m-fund-for-sw/

@Shoxfordian

Yep anyone who doesn’t vote the way you do has no sense: clearly

^^^This with bells on!

Not zero contract hours and wages driven down by the abuse of cheap workforces.

Beckert zero hours contracts and abuse of cheap workforces are all products of free market capitalism!

One of the reasons people voted Brexit.

Excellent post C8H - unfortunately I’m not sure the intended recipient understood…

Elodie my dear, have you ever heard of Europe? Fascinating place. Anyway, absolutely TEEMING with zero hours contracts and missed opportunities for the young.

I actually lived in mainland Europe for 15 years, so actually have an understanding of that, “healthcare alternatives”, your idea of socialist paradise and a whole host of other topics.

If you’d be interested in learning more, I could point you towards a site called google and you could DYOR … or quote from the canary - your choice.

I know people who hadn’t had a pay rise for years and years

But the opinion of many mc Remain voters is well at least they have a job and things would only get worse for them. Yes be grateful 🙄

Life had been years of struggling of course many were going to take that gamble and I don’t blame them

The writing was in the wall for Brexit to many politicians had chosen to ignore it.
It they were as aware as they should have been they would have rejected having a referendum

And agree with posters above why Corbyn was rejected and why people felt left behind by politicians

RunningInTheWind I haven't claimed things are perfect in other European countries, not even mine which is certainly not "teeming with zero hours contracts and missed opportunities for the young".

You can try to argue that Brexit has worked out well but the evidence to the contrary is all around you.

My dear.

There are a range of reasons why people vote for the current reactionary populists that are the Tory party. Not one of them is good, ranging from confirmation bias, political disenfranchisement, racism, fear of change, nationalism, poor education and knowledge, selfishness, etc.

I can only live in hope that the British public will eventually come to their senses.

Angela Rayner. Will never vote Labour with the likes of her as deputy.

No one is arguing that Brexit has turned out well as it's too soon to tell whether if it will or not.

Angela Rayner is horrible.

"No one is arguing that Brexit has turned out well as it's too soon to tell whether if it will or not."

And in the meantime (which according to Rees- Mog could be up to 50 years) farming and fishing are decimated, and small businesses go under.

Also, I'm no fan of Corbyn but continuing to blame the man for the outcome of a decades long right-wing populist project funded with millions of pounds and rampant entryism of the Tory party and client journalism is exactly the response I'd expect from Labour party activists!

Reminds me of that bit in "Life of Brian" about the People's Front of Judea.

I wish the left would stop with the infighting and finger pointing and realise that they are actually dealing with an incredibly fractured and unstable populist government. I find it amazing that it is likely to be Tory grandees that are going to sink this government for its many failures and transgressions rather than the opposition

@Beckert

No one is arguing that Brexit has turned out well as it's too soon to tell whether if it will or not.

Ain't looking too good at the moment.

@HarrietPierce

"No one is arguing that Brexit has turned out well as it's too soon to tell whether if it will or not."

And in the meantime (which according to Rees- Mog could be up to 50 years) farming and fishing are decimated, and small businesses go under.

Yep. But let's just listen to more tales of Sunlit Uplands and Other Stories.

I don't think it looks either good or bad at the moment. As I said. Too soon to tell.

Too soon to tell?

You are a card.