How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

If you think Johnson and the Tories respect womens rights, you might want to read this!

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/06/tottymeter-and-girly-swots-how-johnson-shows-women-respect

Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts

In 2005, while campaigning to be the Conservative MP for Henley-on-Thames, Johnson is widely reported as saying:
Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3

In 1996, Johnson wrote an article for the Telegraph under the headline “Hot Totty is on the agenda as women start to scent victory”. He wrote:
The unanimous opinion is that what has been called the ‘Tottymeter’ reading is higher than at any Labour party conference in living memory.
Time and again the Tottymeter has gone off as a young woman delegate mounts the rostrum.”

It is no use blaming uppity and irresponsible women for becoming pregnant in the absence of a husband. Given their natural desire to have babies, and the tininess of what the sociologist William Julius Wilson has called the ‘marriageable pool’, it is the only answer.
Something must be found, first, to restore women’s desire to be married. That means addressing the feebleness of the modern Briton, his reluctance or inability to take control of his woman and be head of a household Boris Johnson

In 2007, in a car review slot for GQ magazine, Johnson likened his experience driving a Ferrari F340 in Hampshire to a sexual encounter:
I seemed to be averaging a speed of X and then the M3 opened up before me, a long quiet Bonneville flat stretch, and I am afraid it was as though the whole county of Hampshire was lying back and opening her well-bred legs to be ravished by the Italian stallion

The colossal expansion in the numbers of female graduates is in many ways a marvellous thing; but it has boosted the well-documented process of assortative mating, by which middle-class graduates marry middle-class graduates and thereby entrench their economic advantages, pooling their graduate incomes to push up house prices and increase the barriers to entry for the rest.
The result is that in families on lower incomes the women have absolutely no choice but to work, often with adverse consequences for family life and society as a whole – in that unloved and undisciplined children are more likely to become hoodies, Neets [Not in education, employment, or training], and mug you on the street corner
Boris Johnson

Johnson called Cameron a girly swot and Corbyn a great big girl's blouse

Anybody thinking Johnson respects woman's rights need to stop deluding their self - he has told you in his own words he does not and the Tory Party chose him as their best man.

In 1996, Johnson wrote an article for the Telegraph under the headline “Hot Totty is on the agenda as women start to scent victory”. He wrote:
The unanimous opinion is that what has been called the ‘Tottymeter’ reading is higher than at any Labour party conference in living memory.
Time and again the Tottymeter has gone off as a young woman delegate mounts the rostrum"

I'm just wondering what sort of Jedi mind trick PM Johnson is pulling that makes people think he's on their side (even if he is lying and they know it 🙄) when his actions clearly demonstrate the opposite.

Well they haven't tonight 🎉🎉

Haven't read thread but this seems an appropriate place to say THANK YOU to the voters of N Shropshire. Eyes opened at last. Hopefully, enough of the electorate will follow when possible and this bunch of pirates will be forced to walk the plank.

The people of north Shropshire are quite smart. Kudos to them for being open minded to vote for an alternative when the prime minister is simply not suitable rather than just voting Tory because that's how things have always been done.

This is the tragedy. I can see why wealthy people vote Tory - but some of the most disadvantaged are voting for a party that hates them and makes their lives worse, over and over

However you meant to phrase it this is another variation on "people are thick for voting differently from me"

WC voters have agency too. Just because their voting decision was different from yours doesn't make them thick. Nor do WC voters necessarily agree with MC lefties on what is "good" for WC people.

@elodie77

Yet another variant on "people are thick for voting differently from me"

"I believed all the lies by the Brexit campaign, everything is now worse in this country, the handling of the Covid-19 pandemic by the Govt has been a complete mess and the PM and his cabinet are lying, incompetent fools who cause scandal after scandal but don't call me thick for voting them into office!"

Doubling down on the message "you were thick if you voted Tory" doesn't make for a compelling argument.

Out of interest how much canvassing/doorstepping did you do in the last election or previous elections?

Who did you actually talk to in those Brexit voting and red wall seats?

@StoneofDestiny

Anybody thinking Johnson respects woman's rights need to stop deluding their self - he has told you in his own words he does not and the Tory Party chose him as their best man.

No the Tories chose him as a cheerleader and winner. He lead the cheering and they won.

Boris could shag half the country and leer at the other half but the Tories won't introduce self id when the bulk of the party is against it and its also a vote loser.

Still nobody wants to explain why they believe the Labour Party is “fanatical leftwing” ?

Perhaps you could, really interested to understand this viewpoint - perhaps considering the 2019 Labour manifesto and helping me understand which pledges were “extreme left” and how the current Labour party is apparently still “fanatically left wing”.

I just don’t recognise this description of the party either in 2019 or now, and if it’s used as a justification for voting Conservative, it would be really useful to understand better.

I’m not being goady or trying to set up an argument, I genuinely want to get my head around this viewpoint.

@C8H10N4O2

This is the tragedy. I can see why wealthy people vote Tory - but some of the most disadvantaged are voting for a party that hates them and makes their lives worse, over and over

However you meant to phrase it this is another variation on "people are thick for voting differently from me"

WC voters have agency too. Just because their voting decision was different from yours doesn't make them thick. Nor do WC voters necessarily agree with MC lefties on what is "good" for WC people.

No it isn’t. I didn’t say people were thick at all - I said I didn’t understand it; that’s on me not them. People are of course free to vote as they wish.

@TooBigForMyBoots Yep. This is what exasperates me. It's not that I think Tory voters are "thick" as someone described it upthread. Many of them are highly educated (though that's not necessarily the same as being intelligent, particularly when it comes to emotional intelligence), and many have decades of life experience behind them.

Many Tory voters I've encountered are, however, prone to a bit of Stockholm Syndrome; not considering issues that don't affect them personally or directly; voting against their own best interests; and/or not thinking logically or humanely on occasion, though. Sadly, this especially applies to those I know in some Red Wall constituencies, several of which are close to where I grew up. (And yes, before the rugby scrum commences, I'm aware that those statements can apply no matter what your politics.)

Still, North Shropshire, eh. Maybe there is a teeny tiny little bit of light at the end of the tunnel that isn't the 10.14 to Paddington.....

It was Labour leadership that so many rejected

Corbyn, McDonnell and those in their circle plus the support of Momentum

The manifesto was irrelevant when we all new how left wing the leadership of the party was this is what was rejected

@OhWhyNot

It was Labour leadership that so many rejected

Corbyn, McDonnell and those in their circle plus the support of Momentum

The manifesto was irrelevant when we all new how left wing the leadership of the party was this is what was rejected

Hang on, the people who know them best, local electorate, keep voting them in as their MPs.

The publics belief in how left wing Corbyn/McDonnell are, are entirely based on what the rightwing press told you they were.

Its funny how people who want to improve the lot of the people at the bottom of the pile are called "left wing" yet an extreme right party, which is what the tory party has become, are welcomed with open arms.

Read Brittania Unchained? see just what the current cabinet believe in and what they think of you.

It was indeed Labour's leaders that were rejected in 2019. My vote floats, but never far from the centre to UKIP or any extreme. I voted Liberal, Tory, and Labour under Blair.

@onlychildhamster

The people of north Shropshire are quite smart. Kudos to them for being open minded to vote for an alternative when the prime minister is simply not suitable rather than just voting Tory because that's how things have always been done.

I'm in North Shropshire. Lifelong Labour voter (so obviously not a typical North Shropshire voter!!) but I voted Lib Dem yesterday. So happy to be part of this majority!!

What I hope now is that this is the catalyst to do something to improve the political landscape in England at the moment. Obviously I want Boris gone but who's the alternative?! Life under Liz Truss would surely be just as bad, albeit probably with fewer gaffes and scandals. I don't know where we go from here but I hope that something happens as a result of this election.

Whoop Whooop! THANK YOU NORTH SHROPSHIRE!!! 🎉🥳🍾🤸🏻‍♀️🤸🤸🏻‍♀️🤸👏👏👏👏

Best of a bad bunch 🤷