How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

[quote Newcomer68]@Seashell1234 So what would the Tories have to do for you NOT to vote for them? Or, conversely, what would some mythical perfect party have to do to get you to vote for them?

I still remain mystified as to how Tory supporters remain in denial about what is happening when it comes to eroding our freedoms, destroying our educational and health infrastructure, and reducing our standard of living, at least for most ordinary people. By the time most people wake up it will be much, much too late.

Still, Boris at Peppa Pig Land, eh. What a great dad.[/quote]
They could put a senior figure on the radio and have them say "Women have vaginas, Nick". That would be a good start.

@FangsForTheMemory

There are an awful lot of people repeating Tory lines on here and I can't help wondering who's paying them to.

I don't think they're being paid @FangsForTheMemory.

A RW media, online algorithms and echo chambers have played a huge part in creating this. I don't know what it would take to change.

Last week our government brought in legislation that created a Two Tier system of British Citizenship.

Because Labour is much worst. Sadiq Khan is useless and if we vote Labour that is what we will get.

I also do not understand the constant Tory voting.. I would never vote conservative.

Agree labour need to have a serious serious revamp. To be honest I think they need to completely reform and modernise. People don’t want either option and yet no alternative has come forward.

I would still have gone with Corbyn over Boris any day. It makes me sad to be honest because I think people choose a selfish option; I think the tories stand for selfishness. I’m aware most people don’t agree with me on that; but I don’t know why they believe otherwise. I think there’s some truth in a pp’s comment saying British people still hold dear the class system & a public school accent. I fear if we continue with a Tory government our public services will be squandered beyond repair and taxpayers money will continue to line the pockets of Tory donors.

But until there’s an alternative what can you do. I’m currently pregnant & glad I’m not currently there to be honest with covid situation & the dire underfunding of the NHS & maternity services. xo

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And yes there is a daily agenda here in MN and is very clear is to topple BJ. You know they are Labour because of the amount of swearing.

@Brieandcamembert do you not think luck plays any part in how our lives unfold? Of course to a degree ‘we get out what we put in’; but what if your parents have ‘put in’ lots more or lots less than someone else’s? Do you think that the person with ‘less’ opportunity therefore doesn’t deserve to arrive at the same end, or have access to healthcare for example? I’m genuinely curious as once you go beyond your statement into detail I don’t understand your belief xo

No @girlmom21 - your comment is incorrect.

You see I do not have a political agenda, and you have no evidence from my post to make that assertion. I look at manifestos, and policy.

The party I would like to see in power would be any - including the Tories - where those policies are in line with my values and beliefs, I'm very factual that way, to the extreme.

And you are wrong too about individuals being solely responsible for the deaths of children who were failed by their adults and the services around them. Policy and funding decisions are the backdrop against we live our lives, they make a difference and that difference can be negative on a grand scale.

A social worker who is overloaded with cases and undertrained is less effective than one who is well supported and has time to review their decisions, to investigate, to follow up.

And the impact of social care cuts has been consistently flagged as a concern, this is just one article, there are more.

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/20/social-care-review-must-address-a-decade-of-cuts

So I think it would be better for you to start making those links between policy, funding cuts, and impact on vunerable children, than for me to stop making them.

Also @Brieandcamembert how do you feel we should provide for disabled people in our society, or children whose parents have passed away for example. Are they exempt from your statement? X

And yes there is a daily agenda here in MN and is very clear is to topple BJ.

The members of MN cannot topple BJ.🙄 He is a British Prime Minister with a huge majority. Mumsnetters can't topple him. The Labour or any other party can't topple him. He, essentially is an Elected Dictator for the rest of his term.🤷‍♀️

Tory HQ not sending their best to MN these days.

As a life long labour supporter, and it pains me to say it, Labour were unelectable at the last election.

I still feel blessed that Diana Abbott isn't part of the government though.

Also the rise of the SNP has come at the cost of Scottish Labour MPs.

I think Boris is doing just fine at toppling himself. With a series of little pushes from his former friend perhaps!

Grabs popcorn to sit back and see what truth will be coming next. It's like a firework display - don't release all the good ones at once 😁

Starmer's policies:1. Increase income tax on anyone earning over £75k. I don't earn that sort of money. But I would quite like to earn that sort of money in the future, so the message I get is "don't bother bettering yourself, we'll just take it off you".2. Abolish Universal Credit. Actually UC is a very good scheme. By all means tinker with details like the amount paid, sanctions etc. but the system itself is 3. Implement the "Green New Deal". A wishlist of unworkable proposals. The only way we are going to generate enough emission-free energy to power the country is using nuclear, but you won't hear this lot proposing to do that. Zero carbon by 2030 is impossible. 4. No more military intervention. Iraq wasn't a popular move but I can't have been the only person appalled at the way the international community have abandoned people in many countries to their fates at the hands of extremists. Sometimes military intervention is needed. 5. Nationalise the railways, Royal Mail, energy and water. The railways are effectively under state control now and are already falling apart. Micromanagement from Whitehall has been the cause of most of the problems over the last 20 years. I'm quite happy with Royal Mail as things stand, and I am also happy with Octopus Energy. Though energy prices are ridiculous at the moment, but that's down to no government having built any nuclear power stations since Major. 6. Full voting rights for EU nationals. Why? If I moved to France tomorrow I wouldn't be able to go out and vote. 7. Repeal the Trade Union Act. I'm a union member myself but I don't want to go back to the days of a show of hands in the car park, secondary picketing and workers sleeping on the job. 8. Abolish the House of Lords. If you actually follow what goes on in the Lords, you will see that our revising chamber does a lot of good. We don't need yet another load of populists, thanks. We need the experience seen in the upper house with their ability to do only what is right, not what is popular. 9. "Pull down obstacles that limit opportunities and talent." But not actually giving any details of what these are or what they plan to do about it 10. Provide an effective opposition. Well they've failed to deliver here, haven't they?

Umm, a lot of these (maybe all - it's a long list and it's late) aren't Starmer's policies though?

@DolphinFC

As a life long labour supporter, and it pains me to say it, Labour were unelectable at the last election.

I still feel blessed that Diana Abbott isn't part of the government though.

Also the rise of the SNP has come at the cost of Scottish Labour MPs.

As a lifelong Labour supporter, do you feel blessed with who our PM is? Or that Priti Patel, JRM, Nadine Dorries, Raab etc etc are all in government. I'm not Diane Abbott's biggest fan but she's achieved more in her life than that sorry lot put together. I can never understand why she is so often named as someone beneath contempt when you look at who we actually have in charge.

Because I believe you get out of life what you put in so I don't believe in socialism.

What do you think Socialism is @Brieandcamembert?

@Brieandcamembert not sure how these adult social care costs tally with "getting out of life what you put in".

Voted in in November - poorer pensioners will pay a higher proportion of their savings and be worse off than the richest. Some Tories MP's abstained from this vote, an indication that even if full blown rebellion was out of the question, all wasn't sitting well.

news.sky.com/story/care-cost-cap-mps-back-controversial-change-to-social-care-reforms-in-england-12475985

Read the Tory manifesto

Read political history

The Tory party are the most successful political party because they are not rooted in ideology

The last ten years (which labour can take some of the blame for) is a small time in history for many

@OhWhyNot you haven't actually said anything there. Come back with some evidence?

Although you do appear to acknowledge the last 10 years has been a fuck up. So that's damning with praise!

The Tories have been in power for the last 10 years, and, yes, it's been a fuck up!

I'm a lifelong Labour voter & am a card carrying member of the party. I don't like Keir Starmer but have a brilliant Labour MP who works so hard for our local area. Labour needs Andy Burnham to stand a chance of getting back in to power.

Coffee

No I don't feel blessed with who we have.

I'm glad DA isn't running the country. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Yes I have

I don’t vote Tory but the op wanted to know why we are such a Tory voting country

The media have played a big part in keeping the Tories in power, the BBC & all the papers run by the Murdoch empire have a lot to answer for.

Best of the bad bunch.
But why are you posting this now? The last GE was 2 years ago? Have you clearly forgotten who the other option was??!!