How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

[quote swissmodel]@daimbarsatemydogsbone

I meant evil policies not people. I couldn't give a stuff whether the actual ministers or good people or hypocrites. In fact I'd be quite surprised if politicians were indeed morally upstanding.

Tory stands for (as far as policy goes) truth, personal responsibility, morality and freedom. Labour is the antithesis of those values.[/quote]
Now I know you're just trolling.

Truth -

@onlychildhamster

It's not all about housing. Traditional values are very important to religious Jews. Try educating a child in an orthodox school under the wokes.

Keir Starmer has zero charisma, I very much doubt Labour will win an election with him at the helm. I've heard people who've worked with him as a barrister say he is smart and competent but that rarely wins votes.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

Yes truth. As in absolute truth. As in 'women' don't rape other women with their 'female penises'. To name just one example.

@onlychildhamster I know many Jews that would vote for atamer but Labour still have a massive antisemitism problem that whilst being addressed is still an option. I don't understand the argument that young Jews should vote for Labour cos of increasing house prices.... What are Labour gonna do go reduce house prices? Most of that is out of control of govt and more linked to supply and demand. Which means the only way to reduce property prices is to build more properties something most labour councils I'm aware of are extremely against

@swissmodel my DH and his sisters went to Jewish school under Labour and their jewish education wasn't any less traditional?

The average age of marriage in DSIL's graduating class was 21.

Tory stands for (as far as policy goes) truth, personal responsibility, morality and freedom.

And as far as reality goes?

Boris Johnson wouldn't know any of these things if they were sitting naked on his face.

[quote onlychildhamster]@swissmodel my DH and his sisters went to Jewish school under Labour and their jewish education wasn't any less traditional?

The average age of marriage in DSIL's graduating class was 21.[/quote]
It's becoming more and more difficult to teach traditional values. You only have to look at how many Orthodox schools are failing Ofsted merely for not promoting LGBT. Not for being actively against it, mind you, just for not actively promoting it.

Same for any form of sex ed really. Frum schools don't teach it, and they get failed as a result.

@Classica

Tory stands for (as far as policy goes) truth, personal responsibility, morality and freedom.

And as far as reality goes?

Boris Johnson wouldn't know any of these things if they were sitting naked on his face.

Again, let's not confuse policy makers with policy. BJ might be the most immoral man ever, but as long as his policies are sound, that doesn't really matter.

@Bells3032 Labour would likely impose more taxes on BTL landlords. In places like Hendon, BTLs account for a huge percentage of properties on account of the university. The problem is not just supply- London actually has 66,000 more bedrooms than people, a big problem is how it is quite inefficiently distributed.

Building more is not necessarily a good thing- if you build lots of 5 bed executive homes in Hendon- that would not address the problem. House prices are absolutely within the control of the government- there are many ways that the government can use to discourage property hoarding so that entry level, non luxury properties actually goes to people who need them.

Because I believe you get out of life what you put in so I don't believe in socialism.

Okay, the wider government then. The govt that careers from one crisis to the next. Where are the examples of these values you admire?

Because we love in a democratic society and people are allowed their own opinions!

@onlychildhamster er haven't the tories already put a number on taxes on btl landlords. To the point that being a small time landlord is no longer financially viable for many (speaking from experience). These taxes include the additional stamp duty, reduced tax cuts, reduced deductions etc.

Taxing landlords also increases rents meaning those renting can afford to put less money away for a house deposit.

Things aren't as simple as "tax the richer people" and that's what Labour often fail to understand

@FatCatThinCat

How do people keep voting in the tories?

The system is stacked in their favour. Last election 57.4% of the voters didn't vote for them and yet they got an 80 seat majority.

Exactly.

What a bloody depressing thread. I should have expected it though.

@swissmodel which schools are being failed for not 'promoting' LGBT?

my SIL's school is still outstanding. my DH's school has become 'inadequate' despite stellar grades, but honestly those problems have nothing to do with LGBT but to do with problems that have been festering since my DH was at school (he is 31 years old).

I lived the vast majority of my life under labour control. My family very much the labour faithful - parents were party workers as well as their regular jobs. The Labour Party largely went uncontested it was such a strong labour borough. Anyone who dared stand against them - the Labour Party - for any election were smeared up the wazoo. Yeah, that'll teach them uppity folks to challenge the Labour Party. All the while, poverty increased, social issues snowballed and of course it was the Tory Government's fault. Then Tony Blair got in, yup I voted for him. Benefits were 'improved' (cut) school meals threshold 'improved' (cut). Housing stock improved (bedroom tax), private initiatives building hospitals, Sexed up dossiers all over how many years was it? Life never improved in my town, it worsened. Anyway we as a family tried to 'improve' ourselves with such as better education, better jobs was frowned on by the Labour stalwarts and the Gov took away more of any benefits we might've been on. We had friends on the dole give us food parcels, point us in the direction of family breaks at the local caravan parks, went through with us incase we were entitled to anything from under the Labour gov and shocker, we weren't. In fact, they'd overpaid us in a previous year and wanted the money back because we should've realised!! But all this was STILL the Tories fault apparently. Yet, if you compared a Tory borough with a labour borough, the Tory borough always seemed cleaner - if nothing else the street cleaners actually cleaned. Ours always looked abandoned. We had cleaners, but we saw them in the Club more than the streets.

Now, all the old Labour guys blamed Terrible Tony and new labour for their removal from power, decided we needed to get back to grass roots. Jeremy Corbin with his rich wife, misogyny and anti Semitic behaviour - forgot, he couldn't be anti Semitic he's Labour. Go back to the power cut of the 1970's and 'Comrades' no thank you.
The Labour Party still isn't working. Out of 6 leader candidates 2 were men. Surely a women would get in, the odds were in their favour. No, a Sir instead. Just looking at the names and you wouldn't expect a Boris to be a Tory and Sir Kier a labour leader.

But you know what really galls me? Because I made a choice to vote Tory, I'm some kind of selfish elitist imbecile. Can't recall the last time a member of the Tory party called a working class person 'scum'.

You sound like a delight

My family are better off under the Tories, however let me say that I have not and would never vote for them. Apart from utterly abhorrent people at the helm, our Tory MP knows absolutely nothing about what's going on nor is he able to justify the way he votes when I and numerous other constituents have asked him (apart from "Boris said it's the best option").
Unfortunately we live in a Tory stronghold.

God this is depressing.

I understand that Labour lost a lot of credibility in the Corbyn years, but how anyone can still bring themselves to vote Tory after the ineptitude, corruption, lies and lack of respect for the constitution astounds me.

However I certainly do not agree with the OP that people should be denied the vote just because they don't vote the way I would want them to. I just hope that anyone who continues to vote Tory at least has the manners not to moan when the country goes to shit.

I should also add their policies benefit a select few and they clearly don't care for, well, anyone, really. I really don't support them at all.

@FoggySpecs

Keir Starmer has zero charisma, I very much doubt Labour will win an election with him at the helm. I've heard people who've worked with him as a barrister say he is smart and competent but that rarely wins votes.

Yes why on earth would anyone choose smart and competent when we could have incompetent and morally bankrupt.

@clairethewitch70

Because we live in wales with an incompetent labour Welsh assembly. Where our NHS is worse than England.

Yes, we're living life under a Labour government here. It's not recommended.

I am a traditional floating voter, no particular allegiance to a certain political party and have voted for Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem and Green in the past.

In the last general election I voted conservative. Reluctantly as I think Boris Johnson is an idiot but I was more concerned about Jeremy Corbyn and wanted to stop him winning at all costs.

This conservative government has been a shit show. I'm embarrassed to say I voted for them to be honest but what is worse is that there is no credible opposition. How can Labour not be winning voters like me over when the current government is so terrible? They should be absolutely wiping the floor with the Tories and they aren't. They look equally shambolic and that is the most depressing thing. There is no decent option for voters to elect, it's a terrible state of affairs.

I feel like the Ed/David Miliband vote was a sliding doors moment for Labour - had David won, we'd never have had a Tory government in the next GE.