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To think that the vast majority of people would think that allowing rapists to self ID as women is completely batshit?

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Galvantula · 13/12/2021 11:33

The people all over Twitter jumping to defend the rights of men to force everyone to refer to then as a woman, after raping them with their actual penis... Just wtf?

But no, JK Rowling is a bigot for highlighting this nonsense.

She shared this article about the Scottish Police who want to #bekind to the poor rapists and also fuck up all the statistics. The tiny % of sexual offences carried out by women doesn't take much to skew.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6d5deff8-5acc-11ec-a18c-c6d6c5855d8c?shareToken=950f24c7503003e07e782cf76b53d56f

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1470092815506063365?t=4nIz6ltkdNO0Jp6PDGmKiw&s=19

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AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 14/12/2021 11:04

There is no such thing as "a woman with a penis". A penis is a male organ. If a person has or had a penis, they are male.

WorriedMumsDontSleep · 14/12/2021 11:07

Sexual orientation is irrelevant @Alleycat1.
Men are a risk based on their sex class and not their orientation. We don't allow gay men into female provision because no research says orientation decreases risk of violence. And even if it did, a person's orientation does not dictate how a female victim of abuse would react to a male in a same sex environment.

Datun · 14/12/2021 11:17

@Alleycat1

I have a friend who was born a man. He married and had three children. In his forties he realised he identified as a woman. He has had all the surgery, counselling and hormone treatment but admitted to me that he still finds women sexually desirable* and is married to a woman. This is why I think that "women with a penis" should not share safe spaces with women.
That doesn't really fit in with Ray Blanchards typology. He is the person who studied men identifying as women for 30 or 40 years. He's actually very sympathetic to them.

He divided them into two categories.

Homosexual transsexuals (HSTS), what most people think of as transwomen. An effeminate gay man, who rejects his masculinity for whatever reason, and just wants to get on with it under the radar. According to Blanchard they are more likely to have surgery as they also reject their anatomy.

And the second category is an autogynephile (AGP). Which he characterised as a late transitioning man, usually heterosexual, who has a sexual fetish for wearing women's clothes. Akin to transvestite in old money. And don't usually have any kind of genital surgery. In fact, they often call their reaction gender euphoria, as opposed to gender dysphoria.

The problem appears to have arisen when the latter category has become more prevalent than the former, but people don't realise and are still basing their opinions on the former.

Helleofabore · 14/12/2021 11:21

@IncompleteSenten

People need to read the actual facts and not base their opinions on sentences on twitter.

Instead of someone screaming terf and transphobe and kill em all because someone on twitter said that someone else had said something that was literal violence and hate and therefore the person who said this hate filled evil yet completely unquoted thing should be, erm, hated, beaten, raped, killed. All that sort of stuff cos you know, hate and violence are just so wrong and bad...

... Bloody read what was actually said and make their own minds up based on the actual facts. it's not difficult.

Absolutely!

I even teach my teen to go to source material first, when possible, to make a properly informed decision. However, there is very much a sentiment that some people will not read something which others have reported as being 'unsafe' to read. This seems to be a common thread of motivation on twitter.

Others though, like to read the regurgitated version with the entertaining social media influencer bias.

Either way, they rarely own up to never actually reading the original.

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