To say that there is a huge amount of anti vax threads allowed on mumsnet?

[visitingagain]

I fully expect this to be taken down but I am getting completely fed up with the number of anti vax and anti mask threads on mumsnet at the moment. People should be allowed to express views but some of the misinformation is shocking.

To be honest, on this thread I have only heard judgement, censorious language and thought policing from people who are adamant that it's their choice not to vaccinated and to have the right to discuss this in as many threads on mumsnet as possible. Even a suggestion that we have one dedicated side effects thread is policing their free speech!
Sorry, but I don't think you have the right to spew your dangerous views without being moderated heavily.

I think a dedicated 'Yellow Card' thread on a new separate Medication Side Effects board would be a good idea.

I agree that this has echoes of Brexit about it, but there's a difference. Being pro Brexit was idealistic. Whether they were right or wrong, Brexit voters weren't only considering their own needs. They genuinely believed we would all be better off outside the EU.

In the vaccine debate it's the pro-vaxxers who are the idealists. They are the ones saying: despite the small risk to you personally, you should have the vaccine because it's in our common interest for the population to be vaccinated. If there's an idealistic argument against vaccination, I haven't heard it. Being anti-vax is about refusing to take a small individual risk for the common good.

So there isn't a medical reason? smile

You have issues with boundaries don’t you? You don’t get to have access to people’s medical information. As for the silly smily face. 🤪

@visitingagain

To be honest, on this thread I have only heard judgement, censorious language and thought policing from people who are adamant that it's their choice not to vaccinated and to have the right to discuss this in as many threads on mumsnet as possible. Even a suggestion that we have one dedicated side effects thread is policing their free speech! Sorry, but I don't think you have the right to spew your dangerous views without being moderated heavily.

But you are policing what people are allowed to say and how they are allowed to say it. Strange that you can kind of see it, but still think that’s it’s everyone disagreeing with you who are the ‘thought police’.

The thought that you’re not alone in your mind view is the thing that scares me the most, and far more than COVID (after all I’m fully vaxxed).

[quote visitingagain]@tigger1001 let's have a dedicated side effects thread. One thread in the covid boards, if that's a serious idea.[/quote]
Why?

What is so wrong with people discussing side effects?

Why are you so threatened by it?

@visitingagain

To be honest, on this thread I have only heard judgement, censorious language and thought policing from people who are adamant that it's their choice not to vaccinated and to have the right to discuss this in as many threads on mumsnet as possible. Even a suggestion that we have one dedicated side effects thread is policing their free speech! Sorry, but I don't think you have the right to spew your dangerous views without being moderated heavily.

Your own posts have been judgmental and censorious

@TisTheSeasonToBeVegan

So there isn't a medical reason? smile

You have issues with boundaries don’t you? You don’t get to have access to people’s medical information. As for the silly smily face. 🤪

Do you think it's polite to tell someone in an aggressive tone that they have "issues with boundaries"? I don't find that to be polite, personally.

This is a message board. I asked another poster a question; they answered; I asked a follow-up question. Since the topic is a heated one, I used a smiling emoji to indicate tone, i.e. to signal that I intended my message to be taken in a discursive way, rather than as an attack.

You must be rather new to the concept of a message board if I need to explain at such a granular level of detail.

@tigger1001 I think that telling somebody she is judgmental and censorious constitutes a personal attack. Posts by pro-vaccine contributors have been deleted by MNHQ for far less inflammatory wordings.

This is a message board. I asked another poster a question; they answered; I asked a follow-up question. Since the topic is a heated one, I used a smiling emoji to indicate tone, i.e. to signal that I intended my message to be taken in a discursive way, rather than as an attack.

You do realise that putting a smiley after making a rude or dismissive comment doesn't make the comment any less rude or dismissive?

Do you think it's polite to tell someone in an aggressive tone that they have "issues with boundaries"? I don't find that to be polite, personally.

And you don’t get to have people’s medical information no matter how much you keep pressing for it, pretending it’s all friendly with a smily face.

You clearly do struggle with boundaries and I’m politely pointing that out.

@Notthemessiah

This is a message board. I asked another poster a question; they answered; I asked a follow-up question. Since the topic is a heated one, I used a smiling emoji to indicate tone, i.e. to signal that I intended my message to be taken in a discursive way, rather than as an attack.

You do realise that putting a smiley after making a rude or dismissive comment doesn't make the comment any less rude or dismissive?

Using emojis is a normal way to signal tone online. If you prefer I don't use them to you, I won't - that's fine by me.

I don't think I need to say anything more on this thread, but why don't you head over here @Notthemessiah @tigger1001
If you dare to question science you are labelled uneducated? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4423877-If-you-dare-to-question-science-you-are-labelled-uneducated
And have a look at the kind of thing I mean. Fortunately the OP is getting absolutely slated by actual scientists, a bit unkind but she did start the thread. Why don't some of the posters here start telling the scientists they are being censorious and authoritarian.

@TisTheSeasonToBeVegan

Do you think it's polite to tell someone in an aggressive tone that they have "issues with boundaries"? I don't find that to be polite, personally.

And you don’t get to have people’s medical information no matter how much you keep pressing for it, pretending it’s all friendly with a smily face.

You clearly do struggle with boundaries and I’m politely pointing that out.

But I am not "pressing". The poster has no obligation to reply to me (and indeed had not done so). I am following up with you because of your unreasonable hostility and aggressive tone.

@GabriellaMontez

The vaccine carries a mortality risk.

There remains plenty of unknowns, dissenting experts and the 'science' continues to evolve.

To me, anyone who says 'There aren't two sides' is just as much of a fanatic as some of the people you criticise.

^ this

@TisTheSeasonToBeVegan

But I am not "pressing". The poster has no obligation to reply to me (and indeed had not done so). I am following up with you because of your unreasonable hostility and aggressive tone.

You asked, you had no right to. Why do you feel you have that right. You have issues with boundaries. They answered, it wasn’t a good enough answer for you so you made a sarcastic/rude/dismissive comment back with a smily face. You’re now trying to justify it as friendly. It wasn’t friendly at all. You’ve done this before to people also.

‘Follow up’ with me all you like. I’m not easily intimidated.

If you struggle with boundaries, try to learn. Asking people for their medical information, vaccination status and reasons is overstepping. Smily faces don’t help.

I'm not trying to intimidate you. You're reading in something that isn't there, and you are the only one attacking, here.

Again, it is normal online behaviour to use an emoji to signal tone.

Asking someone a question about the topic of the thread is a reasonable thing to do. People in all the Covid vaccine threads are routinely talking about their vaccine choices. Nobody has to answer (which I fully support).

@visitingagain

I don't think I need to say anything more on this thread, but why don't you head over here *@Notthemessiah* *@tigger1001* If you dare to question science you are labelled uneducated? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4423877-If-you-dare-to-question-science-you-are-labelled-uneducated And have a look at the kind of thing I mean. Fortunately the OP is getting absolutely slated by actual scientists, a bit unkind but she did start the thread. Why don't some of the posters here start telling the scientists they are being censorious and authoritarian.

Can you not see that you are deliberately trying to censor people?

You are the one who asked what is there to debate.

You are the one who wanted a separate area to post queries re reactions and side effects to the vaccine. Which is pretty ironic as there is a separate area to post about covid topics which you ignored.

You seem to be suggesting you know my views on this subject - you have made assumptions when quoting me a few times. You do not. I just disagree with your attempts to stop people 1) expressing their views and 2) discussing side effects and worries about them.

Scientists won't want that discussion stopped. The nature of science is continual questions. A scientist doesn't stop researching just because they think they found a solution. They carry on to see if it can be bettered. Other scientists challenge their work.

The reason some of the side effects are known about is as a result of discussion. No one should be seeking to stop that. It just makes them look foolish to suggest it.

Open discussion is what leads to informed consent. Which is, and should always be the gold standard of medical care.

@visitingagain This exchange is a rather good example, actually - notice how brief and civil my messages are, containing nothing unusual or notably offensive... And then the degree of aggression that I'm receiving from TisTheSeason, completely mismatched to the actual situation. If I had, in fact, been harassing the person to whom that question was originally put, it might at least make sense... But the posts are right there. A simple question and a one-line follow-up. Nothing negative to the poster, no insult, no name-calling.

Yet MNHQ is not moderating effectively to limit the constant, escalating aggression that anti-vaxxers display towards anyone who challenges them.

[quote Innocenta]@tigger1001 I think that telling somebody she is judgmental and censorious constitutes a personal attack. Posts by pro-vaccine contributors have been deleted by MNHQ for far less inflammatory wordings. [/quote]
How is it?

She has been judgemental. She has made judgements on me - by reading things in my posts that weren't there. And when questioned on it ignores it.

She has tried to stop discussion - that's the point of the thread. She thinks there isn't a debate needed.

Not a personal attack.

👍

You decided I am aggressive for saying you had issues with boundaries. I’m just stating what is clear to see. And you continue to pretend that your smily face wasn’t sarcasm after what you had written. 🤯

I’m not vaccinated, no, but I couldn’t care less what others do. You will find no misinformation in my posts so there is literally nothing to challenge me on.
And now you’re playing some sort of victim. 🙄

Yes, people should be allowed their views.
The problem is that anti-vaxxers are kicking off spectacularly, not just here but on other media platforms.

The fact that nearly everyone was vaccinated against smallpox meant that the disease has been eradicated and no one needs the vaccine for it.

The six million who have refused / not had the vaccine for Covid ( excluding non-eligible) means that the virus will continue and continue to mutate.

This debate will rage forever.