AIBU to have requested single sex rape crisis therapy?

[IamSarah]

My local rape crisis centre offers a dedicated support group for trans and non-binary survivors and a women's group open to anyone who identifies as a woman.

After a male (presenting as male) turned up in the women's group I requested an additional group for women who were born women. This request was turned down and I was told that group support isn't for me. AIBU?

YABU: You shouldn't need an additional, exclusive group for biological women

YANBU: Under these circumstances, a single sex group just for biological women was a reasonable request

@Hont1986

I polled the Daily Mail comments section and it showed overwhelming support for ending immigration, how do I inform the government about this?

Good for you. My research had nothing to do with Daily Mail comments so not sure why that's relevant.

I also hope Hont carries on posting. They are showing the TRA anti woman agenda for exactly what it is.

@Hont1986

I polled the Daily Mail comments section and it showed overwhelming support for ending immigration, how do I inform the government about this?

How tiresome.

And how restricting? Just imagine having to always think in outdated and / or debunked tropes.

Try critical thinking, Hont You might surprise yourself and like it!

@Hont1986

I polled the Daily Mail comments section and it showed overwhelming support for ending immigration, how do I inform the government about this?

Well I'd write to your MP. If you were seriously interested.

But what you mean is that female people, wanting access to needed resources - and you're talking about women who have been rape victims here, let's remember that part - are unpleasant, racist fools who should be ignored by their betters. For wanting access as well as males, and in their crisis following their rape, not serving the interests of male people. Who do not care about them, their needs, their inclusions, and apparently have no values of any kind.

That says a very great deal about what you think of women, and illustrates very well what is rotten at the heart of this situation. And why making women's services a mixed sex thing will never be able to work. (clue: it won't be because of the females using it.)

I think you have covered it Artichokeleaves. You are very kind to have done so.

Hont1986
I polled the Daily Mail comments section and it showed overwhelming support for ending immigration, how do I inform the government about this?

I think you’ll find the government acted on this when the majority vote for Brexit was taken forwards. Funnily enough the (narrow) majority margin was considered important then.
Don’t you consider how the majority feel about supporting female victims of rape is important? If not, why not?

Thank you Hont and Artichokeleaves for confirming I'm not being unreasonable.

But what you mean is that female people, wanting access to needed resources - and you're talking about women who have been rape victims here, let's remember that part - are unpleasant, racist fools who should be ignored by their betters. For wanting access as well as males, and in their crisis following their rape, not serving the interests of male people. Who do not care about them, their needs, their inclusions, and apparently have no values of any kind.

I polled the Daily Mail comments section and it showed overwhelming support for ending immigration, how do I inform the government about this?

What are you trying to imply here? That the Daily Mail readers' views are irrelevant and should be ignored?

Have fun explaining this to the government, because they are well aware that many people are opposed to immigration. Did you miss the EU referendum, and the 51:49 ratio in favour of leaving the EU?

I am very certain that a referendum would reach a far more decisive result if the UK populace were asked whether women and girls raped by men should be able to access single sex group rape support without the presence of men or males who didn't identify as men. I think you'd find men voting such a proposal down, too!

So, you don't value the opinions of female rape survivors.

You don't value the democratic will of the people if it disagrees with you!

You don't seem to value reasoning.

What does guide you?

Daily Mail readers AND Donald Trump believe in gravity. Suggest we all jump off a cliff together to show we're not racist!

Am I socialisting right?

Considering this affects half the voters of the UK in an already misogynistic, negative manner and does really require of them accepting subordination to males and being vanished in law/being stripped of existing rights to give males more -

this damn well should be the subject of a referendum. With both sides freely debating and setting out their stalls before hand. Without one side frantically trying to gag the other and tie its hands behind its back to avoid the general public knowing the realities of what they're being signed up to until it's (hopefully) too late.

Of course this also banks on female humans just going along with it instead of getting exceptionally pissed off, digging their heels in and refusing to enable this utopia for others at their own expense.

What are you trying to imply here? That the Daily Mail readers' views are irrelevant and should be ignored?

Hate to break it to this poster, but Daily Mail readers are in many of the positions of local and national influence as it is a popular newspaper, and MN is also a better barometer of the national mood on many topics than Twitter.

I’ve never ever known MN to get things right politically. Never

Boris Johnson has been about to resign many times in the last few years … a clock is correct twice a day

ArabellaScott
Some people do still try to insist that Mumsnet is an outlier, not reflective of the vast majority of people.

I can't help but think that is an opinion often coming from people who don't count women as people ...

Of course your use of the word people would be turned back on you, claiming you don't recognise women as people, that a people's service is therefore exactly the same as woman's service.

Hont1986
The old racist trope.

Are we discussing economic migration in the City of eye watering salary and bonus or those working on the margins in low paid jobs?

Or implying that an Afghan, Polish, or Sudanese woman is different to a British /Welsh /Scotish /Irish woman.
Because these UK women can only be White?
Because these White women are all racist for failing to condemn the idea than a male (with or without penis) free space can help a women heal?

The immigration argument is so interesting.

Clearly the well educated financial secure economic migrant can afford to self fund their own legal entry, securing work permits, accommodation etc. The ability to access education and family wealth can be dependant on the culture of the original country. Should we examine if women tend to be under represented due to socioeconomic factors?
Where are all the single women traveling on their own with no education, no money, no family support originally from?
Would there be any reason why daughters from economic disadvantaged homes in Afghanistan are not following their brothers example and traveling to the UK for a better life?

On arrival should all those seeking asylum be treated as a homogeneous group,
be housed in mixed sex accommodations, with no provision for cultural nuance?

Could some of them also need services to recover from sexual assaults?
Would it still be racist if a foreigner asks for a single sex service?

IamSarah I suspect the polls will not matter to the managers of the service when they know their inclusion of males exclude women.
Rationalising that women (e.g. from minority groups who are also very vulnerable due to cultural views on "honor" etc) would self exclude is an acceptable cost of their inclusion policy is a very fixed mindset.

Rationalising that women (e.g. from minority groups who are also very vulnerable due to cultural views on "honor" etc) would self exclude is an acceptable cost their inclusion policy is a very fixed mindset

Yes. I’ve found work colleagues, intelligent ‘feminist’ women, are completely resistant to thinking about this issue in any way than we must all be inclusive at all times and in all places (even if it means excluding some women). I just can’t fathom it.