Hairdresser's testimony at Tustin trial

[FallingStar21]

I know there have been several threads discussing various details around the case.. But having read the complete timeline and hairdresser's testimony, i just absolutely cannot believe that neither she or her partner called the police!
For example, she had been at Tustin's house doing her hair for 4 hours and Arthir made to sit at a table and not move for the entire time. She says she just thought he'd been naughty or something. No alarm bells ringing, really?
Different time she witnessed Arthur made to stand by the door, but not move or lean on the door etc.. Arthur given a sandwich to eat by the door while Tustin eating in the garden with the other kids... No alarm bells.
Witnessing Arthur being shouted at horrible words.
Finally, hairdresser at Tustin's with her (hairdresser's) partner seeing Arthur so frail and by their own accounts "petrified". They know Arthur had been deprived of water, because hairdresser's partner gives him a glass of water in secret... a glass, which Arthur cant even hold up to his mouth (all in their testimony) ...No Alarm bells, no nothing?!
If they were previously unsure whether they needed to do something, that last account couldn't have been more crystal clear.
I know legally it's viewed differently, but IMO these people are almost complicit in this... They too, had the responsibility to protect him once they'd seen what they saw, which was really black and white.
Just cant believe it.

Do people seriously believe that the police would have focused on a covid breach in this case and not the fact a child was dying?

I don’t think the people making that comment are necessarily saying that is what the police would have done, just that maybe that’s what the hairdresser may have feared the police would have done.

[quote VikingOnTheFridge]More engagement and education. Nothing to see here!

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/19544482.accrington-make-something-up-pc-gets-iopc-warning/[/quote]
A written warning?!

@SnottyLottie

‘Do people seriously believe that the police would have focused on a covid breach in this case and not the fact a child was dying ?'

They threatened to arrest Arthur’s Uncle when he said he was going to go around to their house, because it would be breaching lockdown rules.

I think that’s a very different scenario though. What would him going to the house have achieved? Probably an altercation between him and his brother and Tustin, police called, then what? The SW had already visited and said no concerns.

But if the hairdresser or her boyfriend had phoned and said a friend/customer had brought their child to the house and they were extremely concerned about what they were witnessing then I can’t see the police responding with a threat of arrest or a fine.

Whenever anyone posts on MN about witnessing child abuse or neglect, the response is usually focused on the parent (almost always the mother), not the child. "Why are you judging this poor woman? You've only seen a snapshot. Maybe she was just having a bad day. She probably gave the child a hug and apologised when they got home. You don't know what's going on in her life, I'm sure she's trying her best."

Yep greenlunchbox, they clearly took it totes seriously!

I've reported before police etc did nothing we shall see how it all plays out I suppose if it all goes wrong "lessons will be learned"

@Lougle

Hairdressers could be fined £10,000 for operating during lockdown. I expect that had something to do with it.

If that complicit 'Hairdresser was a hairdresser, one look at the mousy bleached scraggy braids show no way on earth was she doing any hairdressing. Those manky braids looked slept in for days. The 'Hairdresser' was clearly a 'Mate'.

@MaryAndGerryLivingInDerry

They probably would fine but you can report anonymous so there is no excuse

Radzi - Yes I have seen a lot of those comments on MN about not judging, mother having a bad day.

I am sick to my stomach about this underclass of people, thick as shit, parenting in the most pathetic way. So the hairdresser told Tustin to install CCTV. I hope someone is looking at her parenting. What a disgrace these people are.

I am shocked by their lack of action. Especially since they released the video (I followed the trial). Her dad tried to justify it in a FB group but I said sorry there is NO justification for failing to save Arthur. None

@Franklin12

Radzi - Yes I have seen a lot of those comments on MN about not judging, mother having a bad day.

I am sick to my stomach about this underclass of people, thick as shit, parenting in the most pathetic way. So the hairdresser told Tustin to install CCTV. I hope someone is looking at her parenting. What a disgrace these people are.

Agreed, there is a general air of feckless despair on some 'Estates' that is truly depressing. Angry, aggressive cruel parent/s, who were most likely themselves brutalised. It is handed on down the generations as an accepted way to behave. Victorian Authors speak of hard faced women and feckless men in the slum areas of London and nothing has really changed since those days.

the hairdresser is probably also a nasty piece of work

take mumsnet

people seek validation from like minded mums
go to bed without supper
sit on the naughty step

any alternative view point is seen as sanctimonious

@Franklin12

Radzi - Yes I have seen a lot of those comments on MN about not judging, mother having a bad day.

I am sick to my stomach about this underclass of people, thick as shit, parenting in the most pathetic way. So the hairdresser told Tustin to install CCTV. I hope someone is looking at her parenting. What a disgrace these people are.

Perhaps the government could invest in addressing the root cause of why this happens, and put in place meaningful schemes and facilities to help people. Do you think many people grow up thinking ah my dream is to live on a shithole of an estate, crumbling local facilities, no industry left, little hope of escape and fuck all prospects? This is often generational, and working hard at school or choosing a different path isn't always that simple.

How many times have posters here asked if they should report and been subjected to abuse and a reminder that they could not possibly know what was going on and saw 'a snapshot' of a family without context
Posters have been vilified and abused for suggesting they make a report

Indeed - and usually with a side helping of "mustn't judge" and "WTF's it got to do with you?"

It's just been on the news that there's a bunch of people outside the poor lad's home, letting off balloons and god knows what ... which is a fat lot of good to him now

Victorian Authors speak of hard faced women and feckless men in the slum areas of London and nothing has really changed since those days.

Poor Victorian parents sometimes murdered multiple children for the insurance money, when this type of insurance was new and very cheap to buy, and lethal drugs easy to obtain.

Perhaps the government could invest in addressing the root cause of why this happens, and put in place meaningful schemes and facilities to help people. Do you think many people grow up thinking ah my dream is to live on a shithole of an estate, crumbling local facilities, no industry left, little hope of escape and fuck all prospects? This is often generational, and working hard at school or choosing a different path isn't always that simple

Maybe so, but in this case it isn't a 'shithole of a council estate'. She lived in a council house, yes, but many of the houses in the road are now privately owned, most of them in fact, and it's a pretty nice area.

She wasn't surrounded by the feckless, inadequate or work shy. She aspired to that by herself. I think her 'hairdresser' wouldn't win parent of the year either by the sound of it.

so many inadequate parents in this country

owner occupiers do not make parents any better than council tenants

the government need to put money into social care, into early years, into children's services.

@LetHimHaveIt

I think people are grossly underestimating the great swathes of fundamentally inadequate people there are in this country. So bloody depressing. Each generation more stupid and hopeless than the one before. More usually, it's a child murdered by a stepfather with its own mother taking a secondary role, and then the birth father emerges at some point to say how horrific it all is, and you think - 'Well, where were you, pal?' This time, it's the birth mother and we know where she is - fucking prison, serving time for manslaughter. Not exactly a model of rectitude, then. And the wider family equally fucking shit. It's like that fucking horrific case of Suzanne Capper, which you could Google if you have the stomach. There again there was a ringleader, surrounded by a load of fucking inadequate lackeys who could have intervened but didn't because they were variously scared, thick as fuck, or in her thrall. These people don't want to engage with the police or social devices. They won't lift a finger to inconvenience, let alone actually imperil themselves. It'll never end. Never.

I don't see how talking about people in this derogatory and sexual humanising way stops these things happening.

The birth mother didn't come from a deprived background - privately educated and then dropping out of university.

It's just that the wealthy can hide abuse better.

@JaniieJones

'One of the people who reported concerns about Arthur to the police (his uncle, I think) was threatened with arrest under lockdown rules if he went to their house'

Has this been documented as fact though, did the police confirm it? Or is it just what the Uncle said? You wonder with families like this if they are very accurate with their recollections.

Families like this?!

You doubt and judge them and then wonder why they don't go to the authorities?!

Just
Lyra it's ridiculous isn't it.

I bet that part simply wasn't handed over. It's ridiculous.

@LetHimHaveIt

De humanising!!!!